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2011 - 2012 NFL Thread

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Scott Kocourek, Nov 3, 2011.

  1. Jan 5, 2012 #461 of 847
    sigma1914

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    Interesting ... which QB actually played the whole season? ;)
     
  2. Jan 5, 2012 #462 of 847
    Laxguy

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    .....deserving his own praises??

    That kinda shoots the humble part down.....:D

    :lol:
     
  3. Jan 5, 2012 #463 of 847
    Laxguy

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    How 'bout Alex Smith for "most improved QB"?
    And the Niners for the "most improved team"?
    And Harbaugh for.....
     
  4. Jan 5, 2012 #464 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Which QB won the most games...which is truly the most value of any MVP QB? ;):D
     
  5. Jan 5, 2012 #465 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    It's not that difficult to break now. The game has changed significantly to allow a record like this to more easily be broken.
     
  6. Jan 5, 2012 #466 of 847
    sigma1914

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    Yeah, 5k yards isn't tough...everyone does it...all 4 players ever. :rolleyes:
     
  7. Jan 5, 2012 #467 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    I sure don't buy that - it held up for decades as a record.

    But the measurement for MVP tends to be a mix of stats and subjectivity.
     
  8. Jan 5, 2012 #468 of 847
    hilmar2k

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    You forgot wins and interceptions. ;)

    The guy is great, no doubt. But how can a player on a 6 win team be the "most valuable"? How much value can you actually add to a crappy team? Take him off the Panthers and they still miss the playoffs. Take Brees or Brady off their respective teams and their dropoff is a huge. The Pats may not even make the playoffs without Brady (and don't talk to me about 2008 and Cassel, totally different circumstances).
     
  9. Jan 5, 2012 #469 of 847
    sigma1914

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    Rodgers was phenomenal, without a doubt, I just feel Brees was the most valuable because there's no way they'd win without him. Flynn showed how great the system is in GB as you alluded to earlier.
    I'm not dumb enough to say he's the best ever on in the discussion, but his rookie year was better than a lot of veterans good years.
     
  10. Jan 5, 2012 #470 of 847
    hilmar2k

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    You wanted him to be voted #2 for MVP. My point is that he can't be higher than:

    Rodgers
    Brees
    Brady
    Stafford
    Manning

    And maybe others. Nobody on a 6 win team is all that valuable. ;)
     
  11. Jan 5, 2012 #471 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    I've heard than angle...just don't buy it. ;)
     
  12. Jan 5, 2012 #472 of 847
    Lord Vader

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    More and more are approaching it--with Brees having broken it--than ever before. This just goes to show how the conditions of the game have allowed this record to be more easily breakable.

    Sorry, but that record has become easier to break. The game has changed to make it easier to break. It doesn't diminish what Brees has accomplished, and I happen to like him as a person and QB. However, the fact remains--the game today allows for much more passing than it did in Marino's days. Even several current and recent QBs have admitted this.
     
  13. Jan 6, 2012 #473 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Story here:

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Calvin-Johnson-Jaren-Allen-lead-voting-for-NFL-All-Pro-Team-010612

     
  14. Jan 6, 2012 #474 of 847
    sigma1914

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  15. Jan 7, 2012 #475 of 847
    sigma1914

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    I bet a certain member isn't too happy tonight. :lol:
     
  16. Jan 7, 2012 #476 of 847
    Earl Bonovich

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    Let's not pile on...
     
  17. Jan 8, 2012 #477 of 847
    hilmar2k

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    In this case, the saying following your name in your sig is very apropos.
     
  18. Jan 8, 2012 #478 of 847
    hdtvfan0001

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    Agree Earl.

    Besides....that'll get ya a 15 yard penalty. :D
     
  19. Jan 8, 2012 #479 of 847
    Laxguy

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    Yes, indeed. Great point.

    I'm trying to not jinx the 49ers......and actually am going to be happy that they had a great season, regardless of the outcome of next week's visit by the Saints.
     
  20. Jan 8, 2012 #480 of 847
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    See you in Lambeau Field
     

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