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Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Scott Kocourek, Nov 3, 2011.
Interesting ... which QB actually played the whole season?
.....deserving his own praises??
That kinda shoots the humble part down.....
How 'bout Alex Smith for "most improved QB"?
And the Niners for the "most improved team"?
And Harbaugh for.....
Which QB won the most games...which is truly the most value of any MVP QB?
It's not that difficult to break now. The game has changed significantly to allow a record like this to more easily be broken.
Yeah, 5k yards isn't tough...everyone does it...all 4 players ever.
I sure don't buy that - it held up for decades as a record.
But the measurement for MVP tends to be a mix of stats and subjectivity.
You forgot wins and interceptions.
The guy is great, no doubt. But how can a player on a 6 win team be the "most valuable"? How much value can you actually add to a crappy team? Take him off the Panthers and they still miss the playoffs. Take Brees or Brady off their respective teams and their dropoff is a huge. The Pats may not even make the playoffs without Brady (and don't talk to me about 2008 and Cassel, totally different circumstances).
Rodgers was phenomenal, without a doubt, I just feel Brees was the most valuable because there's no way they'd win without him. Flynn showed how great the system is in GB as you alluded to earlier.
I'm not dumb enough to say he's the best ever on in the discussion, but his rookie year was better than a lot of veterans good years.
You wanted him to be voted #2 for MVP. My point is that he can't be higher than:
And maybe others. Nobody on a 6 win team is all that valuable.
I've heard than angle...just don't buy it.
More and more are approaching it--with Brees having broken it--than ever before. This just goes to show how the conditions of the game have allowed this record to be more easily breakable.
Sorry, but that record has become easier to break. The game has changed to make it easier to break. It doesn't diminish what Brees has accomplished, and I happen to like him as a person and QB. However, the fact remains--the game today allows for much more passing than it did in Marino's days. Even several current and recent QBs have admitted this.
Who were the dopes who didn't vote for Johnson & Allen? :lol:
I bet a certain member isn't too happy tonight. :lol:
Let's not pile on...
In this case, the saying following your name in your sig is very apropos.
Besides....that'll get ya a 15 yard penalty.
Yes, indeed. Great point.
I'm trying to not jinx the 49ers......and actually am going to be happy that they had a great season, regardless of the outcome of next week's visit by the Saints.
See you in Lambeau Field