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28-year-old grad student owes $675,000 for downloading songs

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Lord Vader, Sep 20, 2011.

  1. RasputinAXP

    RasputinAXP Kwisatz Haderach of Cordcuttery

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    Legally, no. Format-shifting in that method is illegal because you'd be downloading an undegraded copy of what you already own.
     
  2. sigma1914

    sigma1914 Well-Known Member DBSTalk Club

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    But but but... audiophiles say vinyl sounds better, so wouldn't the mp3 be the degraded copy? ;)
     
  3. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Actually, the mp3's found on the net, usually 128k or 256k, with joint stereo, are definitely the inferior version. Now, I could see downloading raw CD or FLAC copies as undegraded, but not mp3.
     
  4. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    And this is specifically written in the DMCA? Im not a lawyer, so havent bothered to hire one to decipher it. What if the download from the net was encoded from a vinyl album using a $1000 turntable and sounded better than my $200 one?
     
  5. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Just don't share them with others. And if you get the letter from the RIAA, listen to what they say. And if they file a lawsuit...

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  6. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Therein lies the problem. I have received TWO notices of copyright infringement from COMCAST. On both occasions, I replied to them (Comcast) that I was downloading the album to replace one that I owned. In both cases, I never received any reply from Comcast either telling me I could not do that, or that I could do that. And the second time I requested from Comcast, their policy on monitoring user activities, and again, received no response.
     
  7. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Yeah, never can really call Comcrapstic a friendly company to work with.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  8. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member DBSTalk Club

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    I just wish they weren't the only real Internet providers in the area. Sure, I can get UVerse or DSL or some other podunk ISP, but can they match my 35megs down and 10 megs up that I'm getting from Comcrap?
     
  9. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    I live in the largest metro area in the state, and its Comcast or 768k/128k Uverse DSL here.
    Its disgusting really.
     
  10. Lord Vader

    Lord Vader Supreme Member DBSTalk Club

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    Wow! That's painfully slow.

    Say what you want about Comcrap, but they've been very reliable here. My Internet is rarely down, and it's fast. Plus, when I recently moved to an apartment one level up and called to have them switch service, I was considered a new customer. Consequently, I was eligible to receive their promotional pricing of $39.99/month for 12 months for high speed Internet service. Lastly, because they were an hour late in their appt to switch my service on moving day last month, they gave me a $20 bill credit. Not bad.
     
  11. Davenlr

    Davenlr Geek til I die

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    Yea. Im paying $29.96 for 20/3 service here. My only complaint is they seem to spend an extra ordinary amount of time worrying about what I download, or so it seems. Just logging onto a torrent client is sure to generate a warning email from them, regardless of what is being downloaded.
     
  12. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    I know there are people who claim ignorance of the law...

    But I guarantee you any of these people who have been sued over music downloading... IF they produced something that someone else was taking without paying for... they would be mad (and rightfully so) too...

    We inherently know such things are right or wrong without being told because we know we wouldn't like it done to us.

    It can be argued the RIAA and others may pursue more vigorously than they should... but a guy like this knew he was wrong in the first place, and the first time he got caught he should have stopped what he was doing immediately and then fought that battle. Instead if sounds like he kept right on trucking and compounded the issue.

    It's like... if you got arrested for driving without a license... and while awaiting your court date... you kept driving without a license... even if you didn't "know" better the first time, you have no excuse for everything after that.
     
  13. machavez00

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    [showing age]I used to record music off the air for years, as did many others[/showing age] The RIAA is right up there with ASCAP and BMI. They go after businesses for having radios playing during business hours.
     
  14. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Could you possibly (and please) provide a basis (cites of sites!) for that statement?
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Recording off the radio and playing for yourself only was rules appropriate use years ago. What you can't do is give or sell those tapes to others or have a listening party with a concert-like crowd without permission.

    They also do NOT go after businesses for having radios playing during business hours. Radio stations are fine because the rights issues are already taken care of.

    Who they go after are people who play their own CDs/tapes/etc during business hours for customers. This is you essentially having a mini-concert to attract employees without permission to do so, since radio stations and other approved situations get permission to do so.

    The same is true for TV... You can have a TV that shows live TV... but you can't bring your DVD player or VCR in and play pre-recorded stuff for your customers without permission.

    It really makes sense when you think about it... because you are doing that to attract customers without paying for the right to do so.
     
  16. Tom Robertson

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    Alas, they used to (and sometimes might still) go after businesses who use radio as their in house music. Many a business went to DIRECTV or Dish to get music licensed for that use.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  17. SayWhat?

    SayWhat? Know Nothing

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    A whole sub-industry developed to create canned faux-music after the vultures started going after companies for playing radio stations over their telephone music-on-hold systems.
     
  18. dennisj00

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    They're basically making an example out of this grad student, particularly since he ignored the initial warnings. . . He may have only downloaded 31 songs, but multiplying that by the number of copies transferred to friends and then their friends and then their friends . . . the fine could easily approach less than a $1 a copy.

    I can remember customers handing me a stack of Lotus 1-2-3 diskettes that they had 'borrowed' from a friend and asking me or my employees to load it on 20 or 30 workstations. I had to write a letter to my customers asking that they not ask us to do that. . . since they wouldn't ask us to go to the drug store and steal a pair of sunglasses!
     
  19. machavez00

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    SiriusXM for business or good ole Muzak as well.
    I love this
    http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/2008/08/license_to_kill_the_music_asca.php
     
  20. Marlin Guy

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    I got one from them a while back too.
    Then I found this.
    http://www.peerblock.com/
     

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