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30 second skip deactivated for some commecials-again

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bearcat250, Jun 11, 2012.

  1. Jun 12, 2012 #21 of 100
    bobcamp1

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    What happens with FIOS , HDMI, and native on is weird. The screen goes black for 3 seconds because the local insert is 480i, and the resolution has to be renegotiated. Then when the regular programming comes back, it's at 720p or 1080i so the screen goes black for 3 seconds after the commercial too, because the resolution has to be negotiated back again.

    Maybe the DVR simply doesn't know how to FF through these commercials because they are at a different resolution. I'll try to FF with FIOS tonight. But my point is that it's probably not a conspiracy, it's most likely a bug.

    But Laxguy is correct, more details are needed. Is native on? What resolutions are selected on your box? Does it still happen if you change the resolution settings around? Does it only happen on HD channels?
     
  2. Jun 12, 2012 #22 of 100
    bearcat250

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    HR21-100 0x5cd
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  3. Jun 12, 2012 #23 of 100
    hdtvfan0001

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    Thank you.
     
  4. Jun 12, 2012 #24 of 100
    Mike_TV

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    I'm seeing this too on local insertion ads. For those in the Chicago market you'll see this happen on the Jewel supermarket commercials that are standard def.
     
  5. Jun 14, 2012 #25 of 100
    Deftones

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    that's not true, because I had the same bug and it was happening when I FF through commercials (I don't use 30 second skip).
     
  6. Jun 14, 2012 #26 of 100
    bearcat250

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    OK, I have two occasions to report when this has happened. It happened during Pawn Stars on History channel Monday night the 11th. The commercial was for DTV coverage of the US Open golf. The next was during the 6 PM version of Special Report on Fox News Thursday the 14th. It was a commercial for the United Way with Ladaniun Tomilson. (Parden the spelling). More to come.
     
  7. Jun 14, 2012 #27 of 100
    brianp6621

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    Yes this has been happening to me too but for at least a week or 2 through the last 2 or 3 software updates. It seems like there have been quite a few recently unless my receiver just keeps rebooting at night. I don't think that is the case as both do it on the same night usually.

    Main receiver is HR22/100 0x5cf
     
  8. Jun 15, 2012 #28 of 100
    bearcat250

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    I have been told on this forum that it would be very helpful if we post the following info:

    What show was it, when did it happened and what the commercial it was.
     
  9. Jun 15, 2012 #29 of 100
    ponchsox

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    You are "pardened." Lol.
     
  10. Jun 15, 2012 #30 of 100
    Podkayne

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    The "skip forward" button on my remote is always the first one to wear out. My wife always does FF 3X, but depending on program I know to skip 4, 7, 9, or 10 times and pretty much resume programming almost immediately.

    The invention of the DVR should go down in history as forever changing TV, right after the concept of easily available satellite TV, of course. We haven't watched a commercial in my house since June of 2007, and it really does help with enjoyment of the programs. It's obviously why you see the ridiculous "product placements" in shows now...it's fun to pick them out!
     
  11. Jun 15, 2012 #31 of 100
    kikkenit2

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    I have the same new cf software as of 5-17. Happens every weeknight on msnbc during the political shows. Different commercial every night, but definately that local insert type. Usually at about 20 minutes into show, but time varies. Usually only once per hour. HR20 all hd native on. Always 30 skip through commercials. 4X ff halftimes etc. Just ff through these commercials. I have sound effects off so I hit skip about 4 times too many when it gets stuck. lol I read nbc owned channels tend to do this more. I don't think this is a bug anymore. It has been around for so long and keeps coming back.

    I mentioned it to retention last week when I got free sunday ticket. She knew exactly what I was talking about and just laughed. They have had lots of complaints about it.
     
  12. Jun 18, 2012 #32 of 100
    bearcat250

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    It happened again. 10 minutes into Dog the Bounty Hunter on Saturday night. A commercial for knowhow2go.org. It's the commercial where the girl keeps falling off her skateboard as the voice talks about how to get into college.
     
  13. Jun 18, 2012 #33 of 100
    bearcat250

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    I know this is the wrong subject, but how did you get free Sunday Ticket?
     
  14. Jun 18, 2012 #34 of 100
    bearcat250

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    It happened again today 20 minutes into Special Report with Brett Baier on Fox News Channel at 6 PM. It was a commercial for Cadillac.
     
  15. Jun 18, 2012 #35 of 100
    The Merg

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    Was this a national commercial for Cadillac or one for a local dealership?

    - Merg
     
  16. Jun 18, 2012 #36 of 100
    bearcat250

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    It happened again, 10 minutes into The Real Housewives of New Jersey on Bravo. A commercial for Cumberland Farms Farmhouse Blend iced coffee with David Hasselhoff.
     
  17. Jun 18, 2012 #37 of 100
    bearcat250

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    It was not for a local dealership. It appeared to be a national Cadillac commercial.
     
  18. Jun 18, 2012 #38 of 100
    bearcat250

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    During the O'Reilly Factor about 20 minutes in the "knowhow2go.org" commercial again
     
  19. Jun 19, 2012 #39 of 100
    TomCat

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    It is not a "feature" that they can turn on and off, and it is not a bug, which would imply some issue with the code.

    What it is is that the way 30SKIP works is dependent on contiguous timecode (actually the digital equivalent of timecode) and if you break the running timecode by inserting a CM with different timecode, it flummoxes 30SKIP because it can't find the timecode value it is trying to skip to which is based on the code it reads at the time you hit the button, and that code is in the inserted commercial which is completely different than the code in the program segments. Since there is no corresponding code that is 30 seconds later because that code ends and the program code begins at the end of the insert, 30SKIP can't find the timecode location it wants to jump to, so it aborts instead.

    This is different for commercials that are not inserted after the fact, because the running timecode through both the original program and its inserted commercials is already contiguous, and so 30SKIP will work just fine with that.

    There is a fix, which is to add a regenerative timecode generator to the channel so that the continuity of the code is not broken, even with a late insert. DTV has the option to spend money to do that, or let 30SKIP, an "unsupported feature" just fail at insert locations. Obviously there is no great motivation for them to spend the money at this time.

    But you raise an interesting question. What we have here is just an incompatibility that fails 30SKIP (30SLIP, which IS supported, still works because it doesn't have to calculate and then look for that number that is 30 seconds in the future). But we are all familiar with technology that can lock down FFWD; anyone who has ever rented a DVD has had to sit through the fed warnings at the head.

    So to put your question another way: is it feasible that the vendors could sell spots at higher rates by guaranteeing no-skip technology, even though that is not what is happening now, and would they ever do that?
     
  20. Jun 19, 2012 #40 of 100
    TomCat

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    Honestly, it's neither a bug nor a conspiracy. But not using the same format 100% of the time is just a stupid engineering choice (and that is a completely different issue than the timecode issue that fails 30SKIP).

    Every broadcast station and every cable/sat outlet picks a format (usually 1080i30 or 720p60) and sticks with it, and by that I mean that any content they produce locally is always in that format, and any content they ingest or import and put on their air is transcoded ahead of time to their native format as well.

    If they didn't do that, not only would you see the rehandshaking issues you are seeing, but it could burp and/or damage the transmitter, or the DVB HPA, and would play hell with encoding and decoding. It makes no sense not to conform to that practice.

    And for DTV to insert in a different format is again, just stupid, because of the problems it creates. That of course does not mean that they are not stupid or that they aren't doing that; if your report is correct (and I have no reason to doubt you) apparently that is exactly what they are doing, and if they are, it is a rookie, bush-league mistake.
     

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