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5LNB Upgrade and Picture Quality

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by mjferguson, Dec 14, 2007.

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  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Maybe it time to wait for some more info from the OP. :)
     
  2. Redlinetire

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    I was latching onto the artifacts reference from the OP, that would seem to indicate some sort of component failure along the chain, I'm guessing...
     
  3. JeffBowser

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    I bet my sweet patootie something else changed as well, and the OP may not be aware of it........ From sharp to fuzzy on SD only ? That sure doesn't sound like anything to do with LNB's or dishes to me......
     
  4. mjferguson

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    sorry, I am back now. I already had the BBC installed in preparation for the change so I don't think that is it at all. The only difference in the entire setup is the new dish and the switch out of the 3lnb multiswitch for the new one that works with the 5lnb dish. I have absolutely no signal drop outs at all. Just a lot more artifacts around images and loss of detail i things like text. Most evident on tickers on some of the news channels. Could a faulty multiswitch cause this? Not sure how it could be the dish like you guys are saying, my signal is fine. Everything else is exactly the same including the receiver and TV settings.
     
  5. JeffBowser

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    I don't see how a multi-switch would do this either. Frankly, it sounds like bad scaling. I would re-review your output and scaling options as a previous poster mentioned.
     
  6. JeffBowser

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    Agreed. I have dozens of people call me up every day swearing on their mother's lives that nothing changed, and we are endlessly finding that there were indeed changes.
     
  7. mjferguson

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    Thank you to everyone for all the great feedback. When you say to check my scaling you are saying the resolutions I am outputting from my receivers, correct? I will mess around with those some tonight, not sure how those would have changed but they could have I guess.

    So what should I be outputting? All (my TVs can handle all) or turn native off and only output some. I know the answer is probably try it both ways and with all combinations, but what would you guys recommend?
     
  8. veryoldschool

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    "You guys" would mean more than one of us, so you'll get both ways. It's just that sort of thing. There is no one fits all for this.
    I use native on, because my TV will take the 480 image and make it look better than if the HR upconverts [scales] it to 720/1080. YMMV
     
  9. mjferguson

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    I also have native on and all resolutions checked. I figured that was the best setup since my TV is supposed to be decent at converting. Like I said I will have to play with it, just wondering what most would recommend. By the way my main TV is a Sony 55A3000 if that changes what anyone would say for settings.
     
  10. tonyd79

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    I have a simple question. When the unit was restarted to see the new satellites, who did it? The installer may have changed a setting. See if you are outputting 480i or 480p in native mode.

    I do see quite an improvement in PQ when I have the DirecTV box take SD and make it either 720p or 1080i.
     
  11. mjferguson

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    So when you say you have the DTV box make it 720 or 1080 does that mean you set native off and check 720 and 1080 only? Just want to make sure I undestand what you are saying correctly. Thanks.
     
  12. mjferguson

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    Sorry, I didn't answer the first question. The installer did the setup after the install so I guess he could have tweaked some settings on the receiver. I watched him do it so I don't think he did, but like I said I will check it out.
     
  13. Canis Lupus

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    Maybe just for giggles, change your display preferences on the HR-20 to Pillarbox, and see how the SD channels look in their actual native 4:3 mode.

     
  14. tonyd79

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    No, I have native on (usually, when I get tired of the handshaking among my HR20, my AVR and my TV, I turn it off) but I have the 480's unchecked. The HR20 will then give 720p for SD and 720p. It will give 1080i for 1080i. I find the PQ better and there is one less handshake possibility.
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    With native off [and all resolutions still checked] you can manually change the resolution output with the format button.
     
  16. mjferguson

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    I am at a loss for what the heck is going on. I have been messing with my settings for a few hours today and still cannot get the artifacts and soft picture on SD channels to go away. HD and standard DVD look pretty darn good but SD Directv looks just awful still. It is watchable, but I have to admit the Regualr cable picture my Mom gets at her house is much better. Maybe it is time for me to just throw in the towel with DTV and go with cable. Cable in my area has always been much worse than satellite. I guess they either screwed something up with me upgrade to 5lnb or they are just compressing channels so much more now that it is noticeable to me?
     
  17. tonyd79

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    Truly odd. I cannot think of anything in the upgrade part that would make SD look worse.

    Maybe the MPEG4 channels have just spoiled your eyeballs. It does happen. I watch an SD program and go back to full HD and I get wowed all over again. The opposite happens as well. You start to look for non-clarity.

    Anyway, unless it is truly horrible, hang on as long as you can. More HD is still to come. ESPNews will be there in early 2008, for example.
     
  18. veryoldschool

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    Your "upgrade" should be no worse than viewing through your older DirecTV equipment.
    A DVD will ALWAYS give a better picture than cable or SAT systems.
    Maybe your local cable doesn't compress the picture as much as the SAT feed. This would depend on your cable system. Mine looks like crap.
     
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