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A meteor is coming and we're all going to die

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Richard King, Nov 19, 2004.

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  1. Nov 23, 2004 #61 of 105
    Bogy

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    LMS, like me, you have been around long enough to see the change in how candidates deal with their spiritual life in a successfull campaign. Kennedy, in 1960, had to convince American Voters that he would not impose his views as a Roman Catholic on American Protestants. This was the stand made my most successfull candidates of that time. Today such a stand will send you home in most races.
     
  2. Nov 23, 2004 #62 of 105
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    We COULD apply the reasoning to anything but we don't necessarily have to. There are a number of factors that influence what people think they have a right to try to enforce on others and what they don't. One factor is how strongly they holdaan opinion. Another is whether they can see the logic in the other position without accepting it.

    It amy seem odd to some of you around here but that attitude---particualrly about abortion rights---is noit that unusual at all.
     
  3. Nov 23, 2004 #63 of 105
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    Bogy,

    Yeah, I wish they would solve this aging thing. I would love to see society evolve through the generations. Thomas Jefferson had a stated goal in his inaugural address to have the Indians wear pants. It is hard to imagine.

    Hey, have a good holiday. Heal, baby, heal.

    LMS
     
  4. Nov 24, 2004 #64 of 105
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    Tell the great white father that I am now wearing pants.
     
  5. Nov 24, 2004 #65 of 105
    SAEMike

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    Uhhhh. . .

    (has the Chief gone round the bend?) :D
     
  6. Nov 24, 2004 #66 of 105
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    Geronimo,

    For that we can all be thankful.

    Have a great holiday.

    LMS
     
  7. Nov 24, 2004 #67 of 105
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    You assume far too much. I cede nothing to you. Your assumptions about my viewpoint on abortion are incorrect. That is final.
     
  8. Nov 24, 2004 #68 of 105
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    He abhors it, but he shouldn't push his views on other, but he doesn't support legal abortion.

    How much clearer could he be? :rolleyes:
     
  9. Nov 24, 2004 #69 of 105
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    Mike,

    I abhor much of what Bush has done. I voted against him this time. But as president I have always recognized him as our leader. See the clarity in that?
     
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    Somehow I don't think that is the same thing. One gives the respect to the office of president. HGL says he "abhors" abortion - but doesn't want any laws enacted to curtail it because it would be "imposing" his view on others. Anything that I abhor, I want to change it and work through the system to do so. Its my duty as a citizen.
     
  11. Nov 24, 2004 #71 of 105
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    But you will never stop abortion through legislation. You can make it more difficult and more dangerous, but legislation will never change what forces women to seek abortion.
     
  12. Nov 24, 2004 #72 of 105
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    OK hotshot, what are my assumptions about your viewpoint? And you did cede the point. And THAT is final.

    LMS
     
  13. Nov 24, 2004 #73 of 105
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    Where is that dty written down? To abhor is to view somethign with extreme distaste. I abhor number of things but I do not necessarily have the right to impose my values on others.

    We discussed all this a numbert of months ago. At that time I was the one told I was "wimpy" for recognizing that other people have different ways of looking at this and that I can respect that even if I don't agree with it or even understand it.

    Perhaps SOME people feel that anything that they have a duty to work to make illegal that whivh they dislike. I can respect that. But too state that someone else has a duty to do the same thing is reaching.

    In this case when you add to it all the fact that many of the abortions would be performed anyway but under questioanable circumstances I think it is unfair to criticize someone for not feeling that the thing they abhor neeeds to be made illegal.

    I thinka ll thsi shows how intolerant of others a few of us can be.
     
  14. Nov 24, 2004 #74 of 105
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    Why in he** must you lie? I've stated here NUMEROUS TIMES already that I do not support legalized abortion. STOP WITH THE LYING! Isn't lying a sin in your religion? You people have become absolutely disgusting in your vendetta here.

    I wrote to you that my statement was solely a personal one, and gave you an example of a murderer in an electric chair. While I may abhor what he did and would not shed a tear at his death, I do not think I could pull the switch on the chair myself. And yet here you again, after all I've posted, outright bald-faced lie.

    So go lie about someone else already, I'm sick of you twisting my words into something else.
     
  15. Nov 24, 2004 #75 of 105
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    NOT IN THIS OR ANY OTHER LIFETIME.
    Go lie about someone else, you seem to be an expert at it.
     
  16. Nov 24, 2004 #76 of 105
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    I think it shows how willing they are to blatantly lie and to denigrate anyone else with a different viewpoint just so they can pat themselves on the back and say they beat down another "liberal" today, praise Jesus.
     
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    Do you have a purpose, Steveox? I'm not catholic, and I think abortion should be outlawed in all cases except medical nessesity. (i.e., life of the mother)
     
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    *looks at Geronimo* You ARE wearing pants, aren't you?
     
  19. Nov 24, 2004 #79 of 105
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    True, but legislation also doesn't stop murder, rape and pedophilia, and that doesn't mean they should be legalised. As HGL demonstrates, opposition to abortion is independant of religious faith. Although I'm a Christian, my oposition to abortion is based more on my membership in the Human family than on religion. No matter what euphamisim you wish to use, or what kind of deconstructionalist rationalisation a person has, abortion is the taking of an innocent human life. Simply because you can't hear that person scream as you suck his brains out through the base of his skull doesn't make him any less human. Abortion is only legal now through the actions of a handful of activist judges, practising some very dogy law. I agree that a woman owns her body and has every right to do as she will with it. However, that baby also owns IT'S own body, and the mother has no right to take it's life.
     
  20. Nov 24, 2004 #80 of 105
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    Of course I do. It's called loyal opposition. You are first an American and second a Democrat. You have respect for the Office of the President. That is as it should be. Were the tables reversed, I would show Kerry the proper respect as leader.
     
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