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A thought about Memorial Day Weekend (or any other holiday weekend)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Mark Holtz, May 27, 2011.

  1. Cholly

    Cholly Old Guys Rule! DBSTalk Club

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    Well put! As a child, I remember being a member of the Sons of the American Legion, participating on Decoration Day in a parade with Legionnaires to a cemetery, where we placed flags on the graves of deceased members of the military who had fought in WW1 and perhaps the Spanish-American war. In those days, the holiday was on May 30, and not on the last Monday in May. It had much more significance back then.

    The whole idea of moving holidays to provide a 3 day weekend smacks of crass commercialism. :(
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    You did read the first post in the thread, right?

    The original point of this thread wasn't just to remind everyone about Memorial Day... but also to express the thread starter's feelings about people who take holidays like this for granted and don't consider others when they are out and about.

    This wasn't just a Memorial Day thread... so it really hasn't gone off topic.
     
  3. Mark Holtz

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    Now somebody gets it.

    This weekend, I will be working both tonight from midnight to 9 AM and Monday from 7 AM-4 PM. At my previous job, my schedule had me working Saturdays and Sundays so that I could attend class during the week. It's partially so that at the end of the year, I'm lower on the totem pole when they seek people to work Christmas. During these holiday periods, people may chew out their server not knowing that the person may have wanted to have the weekend off, but got denied.

    It also saddens me when we lose the point as to WHY we have the holiday in the first place, and treat it as a glorified three-day or four-day weekend. I'm using Memorial Day as the example, but the same holds true for other holidays as well.
     
  4. Supramom2000

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    My husband and I go to Ace Hardware and buy a bunch of flags. Then we take our daughter, who is now 5 and plant flags on the graves of all the veterans at the cemetery his father is buried in. We've been doing this since she was 2, so I am pretty sure she will appreciate the true meaning of Memorial Day. I have also taught her to say thank you to the many veterans we see around the local shops. Those men always have the hugest smile on their faces after a bouncy little tot says thank you to them.
     
  5. Cholly

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    While I surely appreciate the people who are working this weekend to provide food, critical services and merchandise for us, the fact still remains that the three day holiday weekends were initiated by the federal "Uniform Holidays" bill, which was designed to give Federal employees some three day weekends. The tourism industry pushed for the 3 day holiday concept several years before the bill was passed. Although states are not required to follow the federal holiday schedule, most of them do.
     
  6. phrelin

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    It's tough to be old and still have your memory. Decoration Day used to fall on May 30. It was nice if your employer gave you some time off to decorate the graves of the fallen in the local cemetery or go watch the service at a local memorial. But it wasn't a day designated for setting up the pool in the backyard, mowing the lawn, or going to the beach. It wasn't a religious holiday. It was a day to remember those that died in our many wars.

    I appreciate Supramom2000's post as we need to remember there are men and women in our armed forces who recently have become, or who risk becoming, members of those died while in military service to the United States.
     
  7. Stewart Vernon

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    Since I'm not a holiday person, I never minded working on the holidays. I did, however, run into another kind of similar lack of appreciation. I've worked jobs where people who knew they were going to take a long weekend would leave work undone for someone else to do OR not provide me with things I needed to work the weekend while they were off on vacation... thereby preventing me from doing meaningful work while I was working.

    I don't remember if it started then or not... but my first job was at a movie theater, and we were one of the first in my area to be open during the day on weekdays year-round... not just during the summers. They had a hard time finding employees to work the day hours once school started back then! Meanwhile, they also started being open on holidays like Thanksgiving for people to go watch movies... and while I'm not a big holiday guy, I still never thought Thanksgiving was a day to go see a movie.

    In a lot of ways... Memorial Day, Veterans' Day, July 4th, and Labor Day are pretty much celebrated exactly the same way, without regard to the completely different (in some cases) reasons for the holidays to exist. They all have become essentially beach-going, cookout-on-the-grill, shoot-fireworks holidays in the summer.

    That sounds like a good thing to do... it's simple, but it does a couple of things. Besides honoring the tradition of the holiday and the people meant to be honored... you're even stimulating the economy of the country those people lost their lives for by purchasing patriotic items as part of the process.
     
  8. SayWhat?

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    I used to make it a point to work the holidays so those who wanted them off could have them.
     
  9. spartanstew

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    I guess that's where we differ. Yes, memorial day is a day to honor fallen solders, but it certainly doesn't sadden me if people treat it as a just another 3 day weekend. As I said before, those soldiers fought so that people could have the freedom to celebrate it any way they wished.

    To me, what's worse, is people who are only patriotic or only recognize fallen soldiers on this day. If you're gonna fly a flag, fly it all the time. If you're going to visit the graves of soldiers, due it periodically throughout the year. Those that fly their flag ONLY on these holidays, just to show their neighbors that they're patriotic (on those days) are worse than those that don't show patriotism at all.
     
  10. James Long

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    Is the server not doing their job well because they would rather have the weekend off? Are we supposed to excuse poor work to celebrate the holiday? Why should we expect anything less from those in service to the public because it is a holiday?

    It sounds like this is a problem that personally affects you ... and perhaps you would care a little less if you were not one of those unfortunate souls who had to burn the midnight oil to be there to help others. Years ago I pulled the overnight shifts and worked every holiday ... now I don't. I fit the expectations of the job I have now. If something totally goes wrong I'll be there ... virtually first and on site if needed. I'll fit the expectations of my job.

    I still remember my first decade of work ... the long lousy hours. And the second decade of work which was not much better (just better paying). Hopefully those in those positions who don't like it can work their way out.

    But coming back to employees that don't want to be there being chewed out ... if they are providing sub par service because they don't want to be at work then they have earned their chewing.
     
  11. spartanstew

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    Agreed.

    Holiday, midnight shift, Sunday, doesn't really matter.

    Someone is always working and I don't treat those working on a holiday any different than I treat those working any other times of the year.
     
  12. Mark Holtz

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    I'm not asking to excuse poor service. I'm just asking people to please be a little more understanding if the line is a little long or the wait is a little longer than usual. It isn't the worker bees that set the schedules, it's the managers. If the managers aren't allow to hire (in the name of controlling costs), then the mangers have to do with what they have. They probably were also told that OT must be minimized, so juggle the schedule.

    Some people think the most junior of people are working the holiday shifts, and they use it to "abuse" them or make their lives miserable. That's simply not always the case. I'm one of the most senior people in my department (two others have more seniority, one was hired on at the same time). Yet, I volunteered for a little more overtime. My position is customer-facing... that's why it's called tech support. I'm sacrificing my holiday weekend so that our customers get assistance, and a couple of my co-workers are able to enjoy some time off work.

    Think about this: What would happen if, from 6PM Friday evening until 6 AM Tuesday morning, everything was shut down. You could not get gas, you could not pick up fishing tackle, you could not pick up food, and noone is there to answer your 911 call. We simply accept the stores being open and the employees being there as a fact of life, and forget that they, too, have lives. Some people are enjoying the weekend with a string attached: They are on-call, and have to come in or work remotely if something goes wrong. Think about that one for a few minutes.
     
  13. Mark Holtz

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    Are you saying that you don't acknowledge that people working a holiday might rather be at home or with their friends?
     
  14. Stewart Vernon

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    About as close as you can get to this is Easter Sunday, particularly in rural NC. I remember times when we would visit family on Easter, and completely forget about the holiday meaning almost everything was closed on Sunday... and it was almost impossible to find something open to get something to eat if you hadn't already prepared.
     
  15. SayWhat?

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    Not necessarily, no. A lot of people volunteer to work the holidays. Some places pay a premium wage, service facilities might get better tips, some don't have families at home and prefer to work, etc.

    Not too long ago, maybe within the last 10 years, a lot of communities still had Blue Laws prohibiting most businesses from opening on Sunday.
     
  16. spartanstew

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    No.

    Not anymore than a person working on Friday night might rather be at the bar with their friends, or a person working the midnight shift at 7-11 might rather be home sleeping with their family, or the person working at Denny's on Sunday might rather be at church or any of a number of other things.

    People work. There's someone working every hour of every day. Many of those people would rather be doing something else.

    Heck, last Thursday night I was out of town working while my son was having his Kindergarten graduation. I would have rather been there, but you have to do what you have to do.

    Not everyone gets holidays off just like not everyone gets evenings off or any other time off. No different.

    And as I mentioned earlier, I could take off Monday if I wanted since the rest of the company is taking it off, but I'm choosing to work cause I have stuff to get done. I'd rather take the day off with my wife, but I have work to do. A couple of months ago, my wife's work gave all the employees a Friday off (no holiday). I would have rather been home with her that day too, but had to work. In the grand scheme of things, not a big deal.


    I think this whole thread stems from the fact that you have to work on Monday and for some reason you want everyone to feel sorry for you.
     
  17. James Long

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    I think you have the wrong holiday. This one is about honoring those who gave their lives serving our country, NOT honoring those who gave up the weekend. :rolleyes:

    I believe the holiday you're looking for is at the end of summer. Something called "Labor Day"? It certainly would be a better match.

    I acknowledge the fact that every day I deal with people who WOULD rather be at home or with their friends. Some are coworkers, others are those providing services to me as a customer. Nothing is different this weekend except some of those people will get a day off.
     
  18. James Long

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    My boss is working Monday because he wants to and he gets a lot more done on days when others are not interrupting his day. I had the option to work on Monday but I felt that the demand for service would be too low (most people calling or having problems won't expect a resolution until Tuesday or beyond). I could go and sit in the office for eight hours but I feel like I'm ripping off the company when I'm there and not doing much.

    The way I am paid there are no holidays just floating time off that can be taken any time for any reason. If it is not taken one can cash it in for extra pay. That option is fairly popular.
     
  19. Mark Holtz

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    We all have to make a living. We all have schedules to work with. And, you can use vacation or PTO to cover life events.
    Slight problem. I was not ordered to work this weekend. I volunteered. I do not mind working.

    What bothers me is when some jerk decides to vent his frustration because things are taking a little longer to resolve, he has to wait a little longer, or his issue cannot be immediately resolved because the technician is on call.
     
  20. James Long

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    And there is a good chance that the jerk has to work on the holiday (or was called in themselves) and is just passing the grief along (unless your clients are not business to business but serving individuals at home who are not at the jazz fest/beach/etc.).
     

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