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Activating a ViP 622?

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by Chetk, Feb 6, 2006.

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  1. Chetk

    Chetk Cool Member

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    You're kidding right? :rolleyes:

    I have the HD pack + Voom Originals + HBOHD with my 6000U right now. I don't have a "base package" because I already went through my one year contract and I dropped the SD channels since I wouldn't watch them anyway.

    So, why can't I get a 622 and keep my current programming? I'd really like to have it for OTA HD recording too.
     
  2. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    It is a REQUIREMENT to get the 622 to subscribe to DishHD programming.
    You must upgrade from the old HD pack to qualify.
    (You also must subscribe to your locals to get EPG data for your OTA HDs.)

    I thought E* was going to have a HD only package for $29.95 but cannot find it on their website. It also appears that E* is not treating HD as a $19.95 add on to AT packages - so you can't just take DishHD outside the "metalic packages".

    BTW: If you could get what you wanted (DishHD Bronze less AT60) it would only be $23.95 less per month than what E* is asking. Saying the price of the receiver is "$299 + ($49.99 x 18)" is not only wrong because you are including the price of programming you want in the total, but because at the end of the 18 months you still will not own the receiver.
     
  3. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Ok, so wait a second... Ask yourself...

    Does a "loyal customer" try to negotiate a side-deal with the wholesaler to bypass Dish retailers and Dish in order to buy a receiver out from under them at wholesale price?

    Does a "loyal customer" also make note, as you did, that you guess the reason you didn't get this deal was that they got "a conscience now"... thus inferring that you know what you are doing is not cool?

    Perhaps not illegal... but certainly something that could get the guy fired and get that wholesaler perhaps off the Dish approved vendor list.

    Just something to think about while you're complaining now.
     
  4. Chetk

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    I figured somebody would bring this up. If Dish Network would offer an "only HD package" with the new DVR, I wouldn't have to worry about it. I would gladly lease/buy the ViP-622 through the proper channels if I wasn't REQUIRED to subscribe to their crappy SD packages that I've ALREADY subscribed to for at least a year.

    It's no different than buying a receiver on e-bay and then activating it without a contract. Plus, buying it straight from a wholesaler would not make E* lose a penny. I'd just be bypassing the middle-man (reseller), of which I have no need.

    Another point I'd like to make is that cable companies (such as Time Warner) offer leases of their HD-PVRs for something like $5 or $10 a month without some rediculous $299 up front fee. Trust me, if Time Warner was available in my subdivision, I would have cancelled Dish Network a VERY long time ago. Unfortunately, I can only get Charter and they don't even offer one channel of HD. So, I get to pick the least worse provider.

    I wonder if I could BUY the 622 at $699 (without being under a contract) and drop the base package as soon as it's installed. Do you think this would be possible?
     
  5. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    The base package is DishHD Bronze. Drop that and you have no HD.

    If you go out and buy a $699 and add it to your account without upgrading your service you'll get the same old HD channels on a newer DVR. As noted above you will need to subscribe to locals to get EPG data for your OTA channels and the DVR fees will apply.

    You like cable? Perhaps that is your best option.
     
  6. DP1

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    I think that if you buy a receiver outright you can sub to just the new HD Pack for like 29.99 if you want to. Plus a DVR fee if it's a 622. Not sure if there'd still be the 5 or 6 dollar "Access" fee like there used to be when you didnt sub to an AT base package but wanted the HD Pack or HBO/SHO.. whatever.

    Theres been a couple people that have reported doing it that way... like for example in the thread here:

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=53000
     
  7. Chetk

    Chetk Cool Member

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    Thanks for the reply with link and without sarcasm DP1. It's nice to see some people don't have to resort to sarcasm to make points on this forum. And, yes. I am referring to the moderator here. Some example you're setting James. :rolleyes:

    I'm not trying to get myself banned. I was simply looking for information. I can understand your need to feel authority around here James, but if you want to make this a nice friendly invironment, may I make the suggestion of playing a bit nicer? It's your board and you're going to do what you want, I'm just making a friendly suggestion.

    By the way, thanks for the information EVERYBODY!
     
  8. James Long

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    Chetk,

    I mentioned the $29.95 package back in post 22 ... glad DP1 found the example of someone who actually got that package. You seem to want E* to bend over backwards to serve you but seem unwilling to meet them halfway and agree to their terms of service. That's why I suggested finding some company with terms to which you can agree.

    If you're willing to pay the $29.95 plus $5.98 DVR fee plus $5 for locals if you want EPG data for OTA plus the package price for HBO (if you want to continue receiving that) plus $5 if you don't connect a phone line plus taxes AND make a committment it appears you have found yourself a deal.
     
  9. Chetk

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    James,

    Any idea why Dish Network is telling me I can't get the HD-only package for $29.95? Even if I purchase the receiver for $798 (with installation)?
     
  10. James Long

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    No clue, although as noted the $29.95 plan isn't on the website so it may not be one that the CSRs can easily find to be able to sell. You might want to ask the DBSTalk user that says he has that plan how he got it or sending a polite email to ceo@dishnetwork.com asking about the package.
     
  11. Stewart Vernon

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    I believe I saw this package "advertised" as part of a Retailer Chat summary... but I haven't seen it on any customer chats or on the Dish Web page either... so it might be tough to find a CSR who has heard of it if they aren't communicating well within the company, as most companies don't.

    Have you tried going through Tech support? Some folks have posted finding more informed reps by going that way rather than through CSRs.
     
  12. Chetk

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    Thanks guys! I thought about e-mailing good ole Charlie about it.

    I'll try the technical support route first. Is there a direct line to tech support because I somehow doubt a normal CSR is going to let me through to tech support without doing their initial lame brain troubleshooting first. The only thing I need to troubleshoot are the CSRs themselves. :grin:
     
  13. Chetk

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    OK. I thought I'd give an update.

    Thanks to suzook, who answered my PM's concerning this HD-only pack, I have found the light.

    I can buy the ViP-622 an own it. If I log into the Dish Network web site using my account, there is a link on the left hand side that says "HD Programming". Once I click on that, I scroll down to the bottom of the screen and I see DishHD (HD Stand Alone Pack). :hurah: That's my ticket right there.

    I have one other question regarding locals, but I'll ask that in a new thread as it doesn't pertain to this one.

    Thanks everybody!
     
  14. MusicDan

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    If you don't like their SD channels, which are very much similar to any other provider, odds are you wont care for their HD channels. I'm really not sure you can be satisfied. For example, if you don't like ESPN in SD you're not apt to like it in HD either.
     
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