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Activations no longer available for receivers without an RID

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Doug Brott, Jul 27, 2010.

  1. Jul 27, 2010 #21 of 105
    bubbagscotch

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    I believe those do have RID's but yea worth a quarter or two
     
  2. Jul 27, 2010 #22 of 105
    davel

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    Hmm, just deactivated a ridless receiver Saturday and Today and the CSR said they could be reactivated at any time. Prepare for a fight and a free receiver with no commitment the next time I call to reactivate.
     
  3. Jul 27, 2010 #23 of 105
    Doug Brott

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    Minor correction. If the legacy receiver without RID had been active on an account before, it is possible to reactivate on same account as long as it has an existing access card for that account. It cannot be added to anyone else's account (by selling or gifting, etc.)
     
  4. Jul 27, 2010 #24 of 105
    Doug Brott

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    I'm Doug and I've got friends :D

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  5. Jul 27, 2010 #25 of 105
    Alan Gordon

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  6. Jul 27, 2010 #26 of 105
    matt

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    There are going to be a few of angry ebay members, but I am glad to see this actually. It's one step closer to all MPEG4 equipment :)

    Wonder what sparked the change?
     
  7. Jul 27, 2010 #27 of 105
    bobnielsen

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    Bainbridge...
    When Directv finally gets around to transitioning ALL channels to MPEG4 (which will free up a huge amount of bandwidth), the older receivers will all become doorstops. This may be a first step in reducing the potential cost of such an upgrade (stopping production of D12s and R16s would be the next obvious step).

    Edit: I see that matt1124 is thinking along the same lines....
     
  8. Jul 27, 2010 #28 of 105
    JACKIEGAGA

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    Doug thanks for the info was that from a 2nd tier CSR?
     
  9. Jul 27, 2010 #29 of 105
    Doug Brott

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    higher up than that ..
     
  10. Jul 27, 2010 #30 of 105
    matt

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    Doug probably has lunch with Mike White on a regular basis, it's just a short drive :)
     
  11. Jul 27, 2010 #31 of 105
    Matt9876

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    It's a hole in the card security that they will now close,The card security is only 100% when the card # and the RID# are married, If the unit doesn't have an RID# it makes it easy to partially reactivate the unit to (for example) pick up off air channels on the old HD boxes.
     
  12. Jul 27, 2010 #32 of 105
    Doug Brott

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    And that will be THE last word on security .. DBSTalk.com is not the place to even broach the subject of breaking any encryption.
     
  13. Jul 27, 2010 #33 of 105
    bubbagscotch

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    So how much closer are we to all MPEG4 Doug?
     
  14. Jul 27, 2010 #34 of 105
    Davenlr

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    What was the launch date and life expectancy of the last KU satellite DirecTv launched? Might give you some insight to the answer. If they just let the KU sats die off, and reduce the SD channels, then when they are dead, and SD has died with them, they can launch a brand new KU sat for 101 to carry more HD.
     
  15. Jul 27, 2010 #35 of 105
    bubbagscotch

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    Ok so when will that be?
     
  16. Jul 28, 2010 #36 of 105
    Doug Brott

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    Beats me :shrug:

    My guess would be 5-10 years out, though.
     
  17. Jul 28, 2010 #37 of 105
    bobnielsen

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    I don't think there is anything unique to the satellites themselves relating to MPEG2 vs MPEG4. There is no onboard demodulation and the transponders just retransmit whatever is in the uplink.
     
  18. Jul 28, 2010 #38 of 105
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    :lol:
     
  19. Jul 28, 2010 #39 of 105
    Tom Robertson

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    The satellites that aren't doing MPEG4 don't know if the data is MPEG2 or 4 or anything else above the data stream layer. (I won't say the Spaceways don't know--they just might; but they are MPEG4 able anyway.) :)

    So the current fleet is fully able to do all MPEG4...

    The BIG (and I really mean BIG) issue is all the legacy receivers that are MPEG2 only. This step will stop the recycling of some of them (maybe a lot) but it won't stop any existing ones that are still in service.

    The math I've been using lately is say 30M old MPEG2 receivers that are turned on right now. (Just an educated wild ass guess, I had been using 40M last year.)

    Say each replacement receiver is $50 on average. ($100 is likely closer by the time you figure in ALL the costs and that some are DVRs.)

    That's $1.5B.
    Plus say 15M homes need upgrading to new dish.
    Another $1.5B

    That is a lot of satellite launches. :) (And DIRECTV still has a fair amount of bandwidth they can utilize more efficiently...) :)

    So I don't see all MPEG4 for at least 5 years after the last D12 is sold. If even that quickly.

    Since D12s are still available in the supply chain, you know MPEG4 only is not really on the radar...

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  20. Jul 28, 2010 #40 of 105
    ThomasM

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    The only way this "eliminate MPEG2" effort will happen is when DirecTV agrees to upgrade customers FOR FREE with NO NEW COMMITMENT which may happen eventually. But there are a LOT of SD-only customers being installed daily and there are lots of other customers who have been long-term subs (like me) who have no intention of upgrading due to the 2 year commitment...and upgrade fee.
     

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