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Additional Information on the 522

Discussion in 'Standard Definition Receiver Support Forum' started by Scott Greczkowski, Jun 12, 2003.

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  1. Jacob S

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    I was saying that in response to what you said to back it up. If the 111 would be used for the free second receivers, etc. for now on but the 311 being required as the main receiver on promotions, that would remind me of the different receiver and remote you got when the 3700 and 2700 was out.

    After hearing about the 510 coming out and the 721 possibly going away, I am also thinking that the whole lineup is being upgraded just like they did when they upgraded 3700 to 3800 (in which later was able to accept OpenTv), 7100 to 7200, and 501 to 508.

    Things seem to be looking good and for there to be some interesting talk in the months to come with this and the new SuperDish and HD and locals, etc. Things are not so dull anymore like they had been for a while, things are getting exciting again.
     
  2. Chris Freeland

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    Yes I agree.
     
  3. Mike D-CO5

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    What is the 510 receiver? This is the first time I have heard of it. What does it do?
     
  4. Jacob S

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    It is a rumored receiver replacement for the 508 in which would have a larger hard drive.
     
  5. Any more info on the 522?
    Are they still going to make it and when will it be available?

    Thanks
     
  6. Chris Freeland

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    On last months tech chat they said sometime in the Fall but gave no firm date. I guess time will tell :shrug: .
     
  7. sorahl

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    i am very tempted to dump the idea of the 522 and just get the Tivo....
     
  8. ddd831

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    Yes, I'm also very curious and anxious to find out what features the 522 will have. Been looking on Google but there isn't much info out there.

    What I want to know is:

    1. How will the 522 handle a request to view a recorded program on one TV while that same program is being viewed by someone else on a different TV? I suppose some kind of message will be displayed like on a PC that the file is in use?

    2. If I'm using the remote in the living room to bring up the PG and channel surf and my wife is wanting to do the same on the 2nd TV, will she be able to, just as if she's the only user?

    3. Will using 2 remotes for the same receiver at the same time cause problems even if the 2 people using the remotes are in different parts of the house?

    4. Will the 522 have the same UI as the 721 (I hope it will) or the same as the 501/508?

    These are some of the questions I have about the 522 as I'm contemplating buying it when it comes out or going ahead and buying a 508 right now as a second receiver (I have a 501).

    If anyone has any info on any of my questions, I'd really appreciate hearing about it. Thanks in advance!
     
  9. harsh

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    You'll have to wait and see just like the rest of us. Watch the web page for the addition of the manuals.

    Thankfully, we're not talking about Windoze. There should be no operating system reason that two can't watch the same program; even if out of phase and currently being recorded. Not setting it up the software correctly could certainly compromise this capability.
    I would think that they were entirely independent, but we'll have to wait and see.
    The two remotes are entirely independent. One is RF only and the other is IR only.
    Many would argue with you. We'll have to see what happens in the next few weeks.
     
  10. harsh

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    The main advantage of the 522 over a TiVo is that it will drive a nearby television and one that is located elsewhere in the house via an RF cable with independent programming.

    A TiVo pushes out only one program (which I suppose could be DA'ed to multiple screens).

    Dish DVR reproduction quality is going to be better than a standalone TiVo's best quality mode. The video encoder used in most TiVo boxes is one of TiVo's weakest points.
     
  11. sorahl

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    Harsh,
    good points... but the additional features of the tivo are strong arguments when having to pay the monthly fee. bears some thinking...
     
  12. Mark Holtz

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    Uh... the DirecTivo works exactly like the Dish DVR in that it will record the exact datasteam as it comes down the satellite. The standalone Tivos/Replay units have a MPEG chip that encode the signal as it is broadcast.

    Also, the DirecTivo can record two programs at once if you have two satellite connections hooked up to the box.
     
  13. Chris Freeland

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    Yes but the D*Tivo only outputs one source at a time, the E*DVR522 will have the ability to output two sources independently to two separate tv's, which allows the elimination of one extra receiver fee which means you still pay the $4.98 DVR fee with AT100/150 but can eliminate the $4.99 extra receiver fee on that 2nd tv and save a whole penny to boot ;) . Or if you you have AEP you will not even need to pay that DVR fee, which means a savings of the full $4.99 extra receiver fee. If you want to feed independent programing to two separate tv's with D*Tivo, it requires a 2nd D*Tivo with it's $4.99 extra receiver fee.
     
  14. ddd831

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    Thanks for your reply, harsh. I don't own a 721 but I've seen quite a few screen shots of its UI and 2 things I really like about it based on those screenshots are:

    1. The OSG lists 7 channels at a time, even with the current channel's picture enabled in the upper right-hand corner. My 501 only lists 4 channels at a time with the current channel picture enabled so you have to do a lot more page-down and up button presses when surfing the guide (I know, I'm lazy! :) ).

    2. The OSG lists the program description at the top of the guide as you move the cursor down the guide, or at least, I'm assuming it does. Here again, I like this, because of less button pushes. On the 501 as you scroll up and down the channels in the guide, you have to press Select to view the prog. info and then press Cancel or Select again to go back to the guide. I much prefer the 721's way of displaying the info at the top of the guide which is the same as a Sony DTV receiver that I owned a few years ago.

    And the current channel's picture is displayed even when setting preferences, going into timer management and doing other housekeeping chores. That may not seem that important to some but I think it's a great feature.

    I also like that you can make the OSG transparent.

    I suppose these are more or less just personal preferences but they're why I like the 721's UI over the 501/508's. I'd be interested to hear why some would prefer the 501/508 UI over the 721's.

    Whichever UI they use, I just hope it's as fast as they can possibly make it! I think maybe the biggest drawback of having a PVR (a small one compared to a PVR's benefits) is how slow it can be to change channels, navigate the guide, etc. A non-PVR receiver is, of course, much faster and it's hard to get used to a slower response time when you're used to fast.

    Anyhow, just my perspective. I really am looking forward to seeing what the 522 will have, though.

    ddd831
     
  15. Mike D-CO5

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    I agree the stand alone Tivo does have a terrible encoder. It degrades the picture quality of even satellite and cable which is already grainy look even worse. :eek2:
     
  16. harsh

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    Both of these points would be well taken if we all subscribed to DirecTV. The DirecTiVo may be a benchmark, but it cannot be among your options as a Dish sub.
     
  17. TomCat

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    One of the great things about non-linear devices like hard drives is that a single file on a single hard drive can be delivered to multiple outputs totally independent of each other. Both users can watch, pause, rewind the file independently and simultaneously.

    You can do this on a 721 already, except the second output is in the pip window. Just don't do what I did...the first time I played around with this, curiosity got the better of me. I had the same show playing independently in both windows, and I tried to delete the file, which confused the 721 to no end, necessitating a reboot. I stopped the file and pressed delete, and it attempted to do just that, but since that file was also in use on the PIP tuner, things got ugly quickly for a very confused PVR, and it didn't know what to do, other than freeze in its tracks.
     
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