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Advanced SEARCH/AUTORECORD Help & Discussion

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Steve, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. armophob

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    I will have to set it up on Discovery or Sci-Fi multiples to get any conclusive results. I think the only show still in season is Sarah Silverman. I will post when I do another one.
     
  2. Dec 1, 2008 #202 of 604
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    I am having no issues with my CSI, NCIS keyword, nor my NBC AANY words. But my PBS autorecord is not working at all. I thought that maybe it was due to the fact, for some reason, that it was PBS. The keyword search was mightly confused by the fact that I had both the antenna and D* locals defined. So I turned off the antenna channels. Could the issue be related to mirrored HD and SD channels? Maybe it has something to do with the search limits on the number of returns on a keyword. My successful multis are rather unique words. My failures are on "House" and "Yankee" on PBS. Could the returns on searches be weighted to return network shows first? I think this might be the most likely scenario. I can't think of any way to test the hypothesis.
     
  3. Dec 1, 2008 #203 of 604
    inkahauts

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    So I have had the following ARSLs set up on various HR2X's for either me or at my folks house, across 10 different units, and all have been recording exactly as planned and as expected... following every rule properly. Just thought I'd post all these so others might be able to get some ideas... You will notice that I generally break out most of the sports into groups of 3 or more ARSLs... this is because I prefer to have my local announcers rather than national ones when they are available... in some cases, it was more about also creating an intensive set of ARSLs and seeing if they all worked properly... Most of these have been in place since July or earlier, so a couple haven't been used too much in their current wording, yet (college basket has barely begun, but I expect my success will continue...)


    If anyone has any questions or comments, please let me know!

    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 2 11 & Sports & Football
    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 692 694 & Sports & Football
    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 12 691 & Sports & Football

    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 2 11 & Sports & Football
    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 692 694 & Sports & Football
    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 12 691 & Sports & Football

    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 2 11 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 692 694 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL UCLA EVENTS CCHAN 12 691 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 2 11 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 692 694 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL USC EVENTS CCHAN 12 691 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL GALAXY EVENTS CCHAN 692 694& Sports & Soccer
    AALL GALAXY EVENTS CCHAN 1 691 & Sports & Soccer

    AANY USC UCLA GALAXY CCHAN 208

    ALL OPEN FLUSHING HIGH-DEF EVENTS & Sports & Tennis

    AALL DODGERS EVENTS CCHAN 694 & Sports & Baseball
    AALL DODGERS EVENTS CCHAN 9 & Sports & Baseball
    AALL DODGERS EVENTS CCHAN 11 & Sports & Baseball
    AALL DODGERS EVENTS CCHAN 247 & Sports & Baseball
    AALL DODGERS EVENTS CCHAN 206 & Sports & Baseball

    AALL CLIPPERS EVENTS CCHAN 694 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL CLIPPERS EVENTS CCHAN 5 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL CLIPPERS EVENTS CCHAN 245 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL CLIPPERS EVENTS CCHAN 7 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL CLIPPERS EVENTS CCHAN 206 & Sports & Basketball


    ALL DODGERS CCHAN 208 & Sports & Baseball
    ALL CLIPPERS CCHAN 208 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL ANGELES EVENTS CCHAN 692 & Sports & Baseball
    AALL ANGELES EVENTS CCHAN 11& Sports & Baseball
    AALL ANGELES EVENTS CCHAN 247& Sports & Baseball
    AALL ANGELES EVENTS CCHAN 13& Sports & Baseball
    AALL ANGELES EVENTS CCHAN 206& Sports & Baseball

    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 692 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 694 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 56 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 4 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 604 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL DUCKS EVENTS CCHAN 306 & Sports & Hockey

    ALL ANGELES CCHAN 208 & Sports & Baseball
    ALL DUCKS CCHAN 208 & Sports & Hockey

    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 692 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 9 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 245 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 7 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL LAKERS EVENTS CCHAN 206 & Sports & Basketball

    AALL KINGS EVENTS CCHAN 692 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL KINGS EVENTS CCHAN 694 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL KINGS EVENTS CCHAN 604 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL KINGS EVENTS CCHAN 4 & Sports & Hockey
    AALL KINGS EVENTS CCHAN 306 & Sports & Hockey


    AALL LAKERS CCHAN 208 & Sports & Basketball
    AALL KINGS CCHAN 208 & Sports & Hockey


    AALL LAKERS EVENTS & Sports & Basketball

    AALL USC EVENTS & Sports & Football

    AALL USC EVENTS & Sports & Football

    AALL USC EVENTS & Sports & Basketball

    AALL USC EVENTS & Sports & Basketball


    In case anyone is wondering.. All 4 of the following ARSLs are grouped into one folder, since they all have the same keywords... I created them the same on purpose to see if that would happen, and it did, as I prefered it to... I set each ARSL to save up to 5, and therefore you can find as many as 20 shows in this folder)


    AANY HDTV CCHAN 200 600 & Movies & Comedy

    AANY HDTV CCHAN 200 600 & Movies & Romance

    AANY HDTV CCHAN 200 600 & Movies & Biography

    AANY HDTV CCHAN 200 600 & Movies & Musical
     
  4. Dec 2, 2008 #204 of 604
    Steve

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    I think it's the recently imposed (last couple of months) 500 search match limit.

    Let's say you set up a KEYWORD search for house TTITLE CCHAN 13 (my PBS affiliate). The HR2x first goes through all the GUIDE data and finds any shows with "house" in the title. I just tried it, and it finds 500 shows by 12/6 (5 days) and then stops searching. And none of the matches between now and 12/6 include a show on channel 13 in my area, so the search results in "0" matches.

    I don't know how often the search is re-run, but let's say it's every "n" hours. If "house" on "channel 13" isn't found within 500 matches within whatever the minimum "lead time" the HR2x needs to put something on the TO DO LIST, it never gets scheduled. And I think any other keywords that are part of that same search suffer the same fate, because the # of matches for house TTITLE use up all the available matches for all the requested keywords.

    Make any sense? Just my .02. /steve
     
  5. Dec 2, 2008 #205 of 604
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    So maybe the search logic is returning values based upon TITLE like '%House%' and doing an ORDER BY on the return by channel then date (which could be the default based upon the index). What makes no sense is if I am constraining the search by CHANNEL = x. I work with TSQL, so I have that bias when I am thinking about this. But it seems like they are dropping the results to a temporary table with a size limitation of 500 rows then doing additional filtering rather than doing all filters from the get go. This might make some sense based upon indexing when you are returning certain fields. But I would think you would design the process to reduce your search limits to their smallest sub - group before working the more costly portions of your search. If you are limiting the rows, you always have to order search results by the start datetime field as a condition of returning values. Wouldn't you index your schedule based upon CHAN then START DATE?

    WHERE CHANNEL = x AND
    (
    TITLE LIKE ... OR
    TITLE LIKE....
    )

    Is always going to be more efficient than

    WHERE (
    TITLE LIKE ... OR
    TITLE LIKE....
    ) AND
    CHANNEL = x

    I am starting to think this feature is a single programmers pet project. It does not seem to be ready for prime time.
     
  6. Dec 2, 2008 #206 of 604
    Steve

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    Ya. If I was programming SEARCH, I'd filter by the narrowest filters first, and then apply the broader filters. Especially if I was constrained to a 500 row limit. So channel first, then title.

    I agree that it appears that SEARCH is being left to the engineers, which is always a risky thing to do, based on my 30 years of application development experience. And by no means am I trying to slight the engineering team with that comment. It's just that most engineers think like engineers, and not like the target audience.

    /steve
     
  7. Dec 2, 2008 #207 of 604
    Richierich

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    Sounds like Computer Programmers talking COBOL or some other programming language!!!
     
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    Is there one current authoritative source for all Advanced Keywords that can be used?
     
  9. Steve

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    See posts 1 and 4 of this thread. That's about it. :) /steve
     
  10. Syzygy

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    I'm a retired computer programmer; sometimes my job title included the word engineer.

    Let me assure you that programmers and engineers are not typically that dense. I wouldn't like to think that the stupid behavior you have deduced to exist (and your deduction does makes sense) can be blamed on one or more of them.

    But this detail is but one of many awful choices made by the workers at DirecTV who are messing around with the +DVR software. I think most of them didn't even have any applicable experience before being thrown into this doomed project. Maybe there are a lot of Wallys and pointy-haired bosses (a la Dilbert).
     
  11. Steve

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    Ya, whatever the reason, it's certainly not the fault of the individuals who are trying to fix it. Support and resources to fix what's wrong here needs to come from the top down. /steve
     
  12. Syzygy

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    I think you're just being super nice to those folks.
    That I agree with completely. What I fear they are getting from the top down is marketing-based dogma that intentionally cripples the software.
     
  13. Steve

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    It's surprising, because you'd think that after seeing the kind of hay Google made with search, the DirecTV marketing folks would understand better than most that being able to declare that the HR2x is the DVR industry's "Autorecord" / "Wish List" leader could provide a competitive advantage. /steve
     
  14. Syzygy

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    Good. Maybe TiVo Inc can win with that argument when DirecTV tries (as I'm confident they will try) to foist their foul dogma onto TiVo's software as well as their own.
     
  15. Jan 7, 2009 #215 of 604
    ncsercs

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    I want to get listings for channels 200-299 without PPV, Movies, any shopping, church, DirecTv content.

    I'm definitely not a programmer. :D

    TIA
     
  16. Jan 7, 2009 #216 of 604
    Steve

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    Lo and behold, TiVo compared themselves to Google this morning in this press release, bragging about their new search capabilities!

    http://i.gizmodo.com/5125062/tivo-search-is-the-future-of-tivo?skyline=true&s=i

    /steve
     
  17. Jan 7, 2009 #217 of 604
    Steve

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    In this case, why not just make a custom favorites list with the channels in that range that aren't PPV, religious, etc., and scan through them using the GUIDE?

    I say that because I'm not sure how that will be any different than a SEARCH that lists every show available on those channels, even if they're filtered by PPV, movies, etc.

    If you're looking for something specific, that's when SEARCH comes in handy.

    Just my .02. /steve
     
  18. Syzygy

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    Just so you know, NipTuck matches Nip/Tuck -- as in:

    AANY Damages NipTuck Rescue TTITLE CCHAN 248 & Show Types, Series
     
  19. Feb 4, 2009 #219 of 604
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    Steve, I have this same problem, for example it finds 10 matches and only sets 2 of them up to record. Was there ever a fix found for this?
     
  20. Feb 4, 2009 #220 of 604
    Steve

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    Unfortunately not, AFAIK. I stopped reporting it, after doing so for a couple of CE's with no response. /steve
     

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