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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Steve, Jul 11, 2008.

  1. Feb 6, 2009 #241 of 604
    Steve

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    Good that it's been resolved for the rest of the week's showings. I don't record either show, but now that I think about it, I haven't seen anyone complaining about it for months.

    Either DirecTV improved scheduling logic, or the GUIDE data improved to the point the HR2x is able to make better decisions about which episodes to record. Good news either way! /steve
     
  2. Feb 7, 2009 #242 of 604
    Steve

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    I reported this as a CE issue today. /steve

     
  3. Feb 7, 2009 #243 of 604
    spunkyvision

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    Thanks Steve, sorry what I meant regarding 751-1 was I would like 751-1,752-1,753-1, etc a higher priority over the SD channels of 751,752,753,etc.
    If I did a range of 751-1 through 799-1 would that only record the HD -1 channels or will it also record the SD channels as well?
    Also, will it record both HD and SD if i have 2 free tuners?
     
  4. Feb 7, 2009 #244 of 604
    Steve

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    Ahh. I should have realized what you were trying to do. If there is always a choice between HD and SD, then you only need one search:

    AALL jazz events & High-Def

    (the & means select from the "continue" screen)

    or

    AALL jazz events HDTV

    I don't think you'll need to use CCHAN at all.

    If the game is sometimes only SD, then you need to add a second search:

    AALL jazz events

    When there's HD as well, tho, you may get two recordings of each game, so I would check.

    NOTE: For those that do this all the time, if spunkyvision only searches for HD and there are none, will the GAMESEARCH function find an SD version automatically?

    /steve
     
  5. Feb 7, 2009 #245 of 604
    Syzygy

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    Steve, I believe you said this kind of thing failed on at least two different +DVRs you're using, but it looks like you didn't mention that important fact in your bug report. (Just trying to help. :)) Great looking report, BTW.
     
  6. Feb 7, 2009 #246 of 604
    Steve

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    Good point. I actually re-ran the SEARCHES on my HR21-700 today and got the exact same results as the R22-200. This didn't surprise me, because they are always on the same s/w release, whether CE or nat'l. /steve
     
  7. Feb 7, 2009 #247 of 604
    Steve

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    Here's a fun challenge that I'm going to put into the issues thread for the DirecTV engineers.

    Construct a KEYWORD AUTORECORD that will find and schedule your local airing of NBC's show Life, which is on Wednesday night at 9PM. My local NBC HD affiliate is channel 4.

    life TTITLE CCHAN 4 does not work as expected, but a standard title SEARCH works just fine.

    If you can do it, you're better than me! :) /steve
     
  8. Feb 8, 2009 #248 of 604
    Syzygy

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    Steve, you may recall that I've been claiming to have no problem recording Life. But I accept your challenge, this time avoiding the use of "& Show Types, Series" (thereby allowing more matches) and searching for that one title only.

    First I verified that next Wednesday's episode of Life at 8pm Central is scheduled to record due to my old, long-standing Autorecord for AANY CHUCK HEROES LIFE MEDIUM TTITLE CCHAN 11 & Show Types, Series -- Episode Type: First Run Only. (Ch 11 is NBC, MPEG-4.)

    Then I pressed Select on the old Prioritizer entry (#5) to see if it would find Life. It didn't. It did find Heroes and Medium, both Monday shows. (Chuck, also on Monday, is being pre-empted by a presidential address.)

    A new search, AANY LIFE TTITLE CCHAN 11, found no matches, but I set up an Autorecord for it anyway:
    • Episode Type: Both (which should cause more matches than my default, First Run Only)
    • Keep at Most: 3 Programs (my default)
    • Keep Until: Disk is Full
    ... and moved it to the top of the priority list.

    Another new search, AANY LIFE TTITLE CCHAN 11 & Show Types, Series found no matches either -- but I didn't set up an Autorecord for this search because you evidently didn't ask for that.

    Over the next day or so I'll be looking to see if my new #1 entry in the Prioritizer changes from (0) to (1). I'll edit this post to indicate what transpires.

    [edit -- 16 Feb 2009] It took several days for my new #1 Prioritizer entry to change from (0) to (1), but it did. Then after a few more days it changed to a (2). At no time did a new search (pressing Select on the entry) find any shows.

    P.S.
    I see you omitted the AANY in your challenge. I added it, thinking that was only an accident on your part. Or did you really want the engineers (and me) to omit AANY too?
     
  9. Feb 8, 2009 #249 of 604
    Steve

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    First off, thanks for setting that up and monitoring it!

    Since I'm only looking for one show in this case, I don't see the need to qualify the SEARCH with AANY (even though it will still work). I use AANY when there are multiple keywords I'm interested in, but any can be present (as opposed to AALL must be present). AANY office life TTITLE, e.g., when I want any shows with office OR life in their titles to be recorded.

    /steve
     
  10. Feb 8, 2009 #250 of 604
    Davenlr

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    I dont know how league pass games are listed, but this should work...

    AALL Jazz hdtv CCHAN 700 799
     
  11. Feb 8, 2009 #251 of 604
    tas3986

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    I've given up on complaining. Even though "AALL Football Notre Dame Live Events" Prioritizer counts are incorrect, and that games seldomly show up in the TODO list, they somehow seem to get recorded. I've checked 15 minutes before the game, and they are not in the TODO list, yet, when the game starts, the show is recorded.

    It is frustrating, but I have learned to ignore all the external indicators, and just trust that the games will be recorded.

    What are the search criteria? Is football searched first (and the 500 limit)? If I change my argument order, will it change the results? If I put them in alphabetical order will that solve the problem? Is the 500 limit on the total of the individual finds, or the limit on an individual word search? Or, does the search just search each title individually for all the words? Or, do you do the equivalent of an AANY search on the individual words, and then try to find the words in the mess that this would create?

    If we knew the criteria, we might be able maximize our searches.
     
  12. Feb 8, 2009 #252 of 604
    Steve

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    So get this! Someone I PM'd tried the life TTITLE CCHAN 4 search and it worked for him last night and this morning. This had me scratching my head, so I went back and tested again. I used the saved SEARCHES, and they were still coming up empty. I deleted those, as well as my AUTORECORDS, and started from scratch.

    Guess what??? They now work! So on one HR21-700, I have all new SEARCH AUTORECORDS that work. In the next room, on my R22-200, I have the SEARCH/AUTORECORDS I built Friday night, and they don't work!

    Only explanation I can come up is that the database wasn't ready when I constructed the Friday night searches, so they somehow are now invalid? Not sure how that can be, but it's the only explanation I can think of that fits the facts.

    What I've learned from this is that saved searches apparently can't be trusted.

    /steve
     
  13. Feb 8, 2009 #253 of 604
    hdtvfan0001

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    I always enter in new searches...and never have trusted saved ones.

    Glad its working for you now! :)
     
  14. Feb 8, 2009 #254 of 604
    Steve

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    Some posts from the current "issues" thread that highlight another issue that's been reported:

     
  15. Feb 8, 2009 #255 of 604
    Richierich

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    I have always had Success with My Saved Searches but if not I will then delete it and add it again.
     
  16. Feb 8, 2009 #256 of 604
    Syzygy

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    Correction: HOUSE would match "houses" but not "outhouse". I did some testing today:

    EWS finds nothing
    NEWS finds news, newspaper, newspapers
    PAPER finds paper, papers
    SPAPER finds nothing

    AANY NEWS finds news (only)
    AALL NEWS finds news (only)
    AANY PAPER finds paper (only)
    AALL PAPER finds paper (only)

    LIFE finds life, lifestyle
    LIFE TTITLE finds titles containing life, lifestyle
    AANY LIFE TTITLE finds titles containing the word life (only)
    LIF TTITLE finds the same titles containing the word life (only)

    BTW, while paging through a long result list, I got kicked back to the start of the list by a spontaneous refresh, just the way it has always been since I got my first HR2x (an HR21-100).

    I suppose the same programmer who is not fixing the missing autorecordings is also responsible for not fixing the unnecessary and undesirable spontaneous refreshes (which I reported several times when I was on the Cutting Edge). :(
     
  17. Feb 8, 2009 #257 of 604
    Steve

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    Good "stemming" examples! Thx.

    Also don't forget that two or more words without AANY or AALL is an "exact match" (or literal string) search, and punctuation is ignored. So:

    law order TTITLE finds Law & Order and Law & Order: SVU, etc., but not Murphy's Law or Order in the Court
    kat TTITLE finds Kath & Kim, News with Katie Couric and Jon & Kate + 8
    kat kim TTITLE finds nothing. (Note: No stemming for "kat" when there are multiple words)
    kath kim TTITLE finds Kath & Kim


    Fortunately, this hasn't happened to me yet, but I do not have a 21-100.

    /steve
     
  18. Feb 8, 2009 #258 of 604
    Syzygy

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    ... or a 21-200, like my current model?
     
  19. Feb 9, 2009 #259 of 604
    Steve

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    I thought it might be helpful for those new to the thread to repost the SEARCH guidance we received when the feature was first rolled-out.

    (AANY/AALL) keywords (NNOT keywords) (TTITLE/NNAME) (CCHAN ## (##))

    Note: At least one keyword is mandatory. Everything else is optional.

    BOOLEAN LOGIC:

    “AALL” => (this is the AND boolean operation) all the following words must be contained within the program (title, about, name, episode, category) in any order
    “AANY” => (this is the OR boolean operation) at least one of the following words must be contained within the program (title, about, name, episode, category)
    “NNOT” => (this is the NOT boolean operation) exclude any programs that contain any of the following words in that search string

    The AANY and AALL keywords should appear as the first word in the search string in order to set the search mode.
    The NNOT keyword may appear anywhere and all words following the NNOT keyword are considered words to exclude.

    SCOPE FILTERS:

    TTITLE => Limits the search to only the Title field of the Programs
    NNAME => Limits the search to only the Name field (e.g. Actors, Director) of the Program
    CCHAN => Limits the search to only the specified channel range (example CCHAN 500 510, or CCHAN 500 for a single channel)

    Some sample queries are:

    AALL racing car NNOT nascar => finds all shows containing “car” and “racing” (any order/position), but excludes the show if “nascar” appears
    AALL hanks tom NNOT vinci => finds all tom hanks movies/shows but excludes the movie if the word “vinci” appears (e.g. da vinci code)
    AALL hanks tom NNAME => finds all tom hanks programs where he is an actor[, writer, or director]
    AALL hdtv football => finds all high definition football programs (note you can include category labels in the search and “HDTV” is same as “High-Def”)
    AANY usc ucla NNOT football => finds all usc and ucla events/shows, but excludes football events
    oakland raiders NNOT miami => finds exact match for “oakland raiders” but excludes show if “miami” appears (e.g. excludes games with Miami Dolphins)
    AANY lakers clippers CCHAN 700 730 => finds all games with the Lakers or Clippers on only channels 700 through 730
    AANY lakers clippers CCHAN 710 => finds all games with the Lakers or Clippers on only channel 710
     
  20. Feb 9, 2009 #260 of 604
    gimp

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    Whenever I attempt to do a keyword "A" search of show type PREMIERE, the list is so long that invariably before getting to the end, it starts searching again all on its own so I can never get to the end.

    My goal is to construct a search of all HD movie premieres. Is there a better way?

    Would the following work better?

    AALL premiere movie HD
     

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