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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by byron, Feb 27, 2008.
Tell that to the 1800 foot mountain between me and the station tower .
Given that it probably costs at least $60 or more just to manufacture, package, distribute and support the AM21, it seems to me that DirecTV is using some of the cost savings they're realizing on the HR21 boxes to subsidize the AM21 cost for those customers that need or want OTA. Nice move on their part, IMO. /steve
I don't think you're in a majority region.
How good will the tuners be? I'm not trying to rattle cages but there is a big difference in tuner quality. My Panasonic HD TV tuner sucks. My Sony HD tv tuner is just "OK". My home built SAGE box with two Avermedia A180 tuners are rock solid and pull in everything except one channel is flakey. I use my HD HomeRun tuners on that box to pull in the flakey channel.
We don't get HD NBC from DirecTV in our area because of broken down negotiations between D* and whoever owns the channel... and also have a great PBS HD channel here that I'd like to get integrated on the box... but I don't want to commit to another $99 dollars (or $59 or whatever) and find out the tuners on the lower end like the Panasonic (vs the higher end on my home-built).
A side comment is: D* is advertising on the radio that they are the only ones with all the HD channels in my area 49503 Western Michigan. But they don't have NBC? But they advertise they have all the major networks?
AT this point, we don't know what generation the tuners are in the AM21... But they probably are going to be better then your Panasonic ones.
But each area/conditions are going to be different, so until you can put one in your home... there is no way to be sure.
Tell that to people who live in my area. No HD LIL - not even on the list. And even if it was, you get stations from a DMA in another state. Almost all sat customers here (even SD-only customers) use OTA so they can get local news from our state.
Our local dealer is really pissed at directv about this.
Does anyone know what ATSC chipset is being used in the AM-21? Announced last year, this "6th generation" chipset from LGE sounds pretty promising. /steve
That information has not been released by DirecTV yet.
It is not leased, right? So I could resell it on ebay if it doesn't work for me. Right?
At this point, we don't know what the "ownership/lease" standing is going to be for the AM21.
It will most likely be an OWNED product, since it can't be used without an HR21...
I would guess it is the easiest way to synchronize the guide data with the channel.
oh yeah, i'm not saying OTA isn't important. even though i live in the #1 DMA and we have CBS, NBC, Fox, ABC, My9, and CW all on the SAT and available... i still wouldn't buy a D* receiver that didn't support OTA (in some form or fashion). The reliability of OTA signals is very important to me. in a strong storm I can rest assured that all of my season passes will record without a problem, whereas the SAT signal fades during heavy rain/snow. so i definitely see where you are coming from... i'm just saying that most "normal" people don't give a crap about OTA.
Well that's a dumb comment. I want OTA for a simple reason RAIN FADE!!
You can tell me all you want, but MPEG-4, MPEG-2, SD, dish alignment what ever form a SAT rain fade is an issue here in South Florida.
Yes, I have have/had the signal go out in a nice rain storm for up to 45 min. This sucks during a big game (which my wife almost killed my 5 yrs ago during a football game with 12 guest here.) and not be able to watch it due to rain.
With cable there was no worries. I also enjoy a few sub-channels besides "weather" as well. Also with D* the only way to get local weather is OTA as the weather channel is not local like the cable versions.
Who needs an antenna on the roof? Mine is in the attic. Now with the new AD Antenna coming out, I will get more stations than ever including the possibility of picking up a blacked-out football game.
Now maybe 95% of D* current customers have NO need for OTA, but OTA are making a come back with HDTV sales. Even cable customers are getting them. Better HD picture than Comcrap here and when the cable goes out (it does lot around here for hrs and hrs) you still have 30+ stations!
Again D* in the SAT business, not OTA. What they are doing with the AM21 seems like a very good idea and smart business move. At least they are giving their customers a chance to get OTA using there stuff if they really need/want OTA to enjoy their D* service and TV overall!
Oh, something called FM as well!
My Panny Plasma's tuner is MUCH better than the HR20 or HR10-250 that I own. Picks up more station than either. Never have pixelation issues as well.
Why is it a "dumb" comment...
So you have a concern for "rain fade"... but there are a lot of people, that is not a concern... and certainly not a concern that will cause them to put an antenna up. My rain fade levels, here in Chicago... are very very small... I think last year, it had to be less then one hour total... for the entire year... that impacted me at times I wanted to watch something live... and even then the cases where for a few minutes at a clip. I also have not had my dish touched, since it was installed in Jan of 06... same allignment, same position....
SAT TV has pentrated the market for how many years now?
I have lost my "cable" internet connection, more often in the last year... then I have my DirecTV service... And in some towns... cable does go down, for no reason...
Last time I checked... I can get weather on my PC, or by sticking my head out the window... I don't have to rely on OTA to let me know there is a thunderstorm going on, and on how bad it is... plus with other information avenues (Such as the internet)... I can often get much more up-to-date weather info... then some of the OTA-Sub channels.
You are lucky enough to be in a position, in relation to your broadcast towers, and have a home that has a properly sized, positioned attic to do that.
I am in the same boat... I am able to mount it in my attic... however, my neighbor 4 doors down... is not... for him to get an antenna adaquet enough to get the signals, he has no choice then his roof.
OTA is not making a comeback with HDTV sales...
If it was... then was it for the last 5 years, while OTA was available... but HDTV sales, have not perked up until non-OTA carriers, started providing more content.
If anything OTA is making a comeback, because of the DTV transition...
+1. I have 5 DVR's in the house, and I try to record at least one version of the network primetime shows OTA as a back-up in case of loss of sat signal for whatever reason.
I also find that for sporting events, you can't beat the quality of OTA MPEG-2 "trickplay" over MPEG-4, which by it's nature is never going to be as smooth.
Of course the disadavantage to OTA is you chew up disk space more quickly, so you have to be a little more vigilant about using the KEEP button for shows you plan to watch later. /steve
The whole weather thing. My wife's watches the weather all the time in the bedrom when she wakes up to see what the forecast is going to be. Why go down down stair to check the internet? Sitcking your head out in the window does not tell you much excpet for that moment.
Here in SFLA getting OTA is sooo easy. Bascially everyone is 15-30miles south of the towers as they are centurally located for SFLA and are all located in the same location.
Even with hurricanes people are adding OTA here a lot form what I can see.
Every user/Every home/Every location has their needs and pattersn.
To me.. I am going downstairs anyway... and since I watched the 10pm news the night before, I have a pretty good idea on what I am going to wear that day.
Weather: DIRECTV receivers have the ACTIVE channel, which has weather on it. It may not be super detailed but it will tell you if you need a coat and/or an umbrella.
As for the whole, "do you need OTA or not" question, that's not the purpose of this thread. If you want OTA, I support your desire wholeheartedly. So does DIRECTV, that's why they're building the AM21.So does solidsignal. Hey, did you know you can pre-order the AM21 there?
which is my not-so-subtle request for this forum to head back to topic, please.
I live approximately 50 miles from the transmitters for our local stations, and I can pick up every single one of them in HD with a small uhf indoor antenna even on on my HR10-250 with its so called poor tuners. I live in a very hilly region as well. Not everyone has to put up a big huge ugly antenna to receive OTA HD. For some like me, it is the only option as well since neither Directv or Dish carry them in HD.