1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Welcome to the new DBSTalk community platform. We have recently migrated to a community platform called Xenfono and hope you will find this change to your liking. There are some differences, but for the most part, if you just post and read, that will all be the same. If you have questions, please post them in the Forum Support area. Thanks!

Another 1080p/1080i/720p discussion, pulled from D11 thread

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by morgantown, Jun 13, 2008.

  1. Jun 13, 2008 #1 of 111
    morgantown

    morgantown Icon

    902
    0
    Nov 15, 2005
    Anyone think that this BSS could ultimately end up in me having to actually look at purchasing a 1080p TV for my DirecTV services? I understand 1080p is not even broadcast in the US as of a few days ago...

    Currently I just stick with 720p for DirecTV as I did not think the chance for 1080 would happen on DBS, or the "latest" revelation of BSS (that Tom pointed out over a year ago).
     
  2. Jun 13, 2008 #2 of 111
    tuff bob

    tuff bob Icon

    662
    0
    Mar 4, 2007
    I doubt it, you're talking about DirecTV halvng their capacity for a marginal picture improvement on panorama stretched HGTV :)
     
  3. Jun 16, 2008 #3 of 111
    cartrivision

    cartrivision Hall Of Fame

    3,862
    0
    Jul 25, 2007
    You already need a 1080p TV now if you want to display the full resolution of 95% of DirecTV's HD channels (which are broadcast in 1080i). With a 720p set, you are only displaying half of the pixels of resolution that are present in DirecTV’s 1080i broadcasts.

    As for 1080p broadcasts, the improvement that 1080p offers over 1080i is so marginal, that the doubling of bandwidth that would be required to broadcast 1080p makes such broadcasts from DirecTV very unlikely.
     
  4. Jun 16, 2008 #4 of 111
    rotomike

    rotomike Legend

    229
    0
    Feb 24, 2007
    Lots of DTV channels are broadcast in 720P and 720P is considered to be better by many then 1080i especially with motion. A 720P set will display satellite signal as good as a 1080p in my opinion. I install HD tv's and hi-def Dish and HD Direct all the time and many 1080p sets look horrible in my opinion. Cant beat a Panasonic plasma for the price and even the 720 Panasonics look as good as the 1080ps. I think thats a misleading statement that you "need a 1080p tv or your only seeing half the pixels of resolution" It makes it look like you need a 1080p set but that is wrong. My 720 Panny looks as good or better then any other 1080p set i have installed. Just wanted any readers out there to not run out and waste money on a 1080P set unless you have blu-ray or video games in 1080p. Satellite is either 1080i or 720p.

    mike
     
  5. Jun 16, 2008 #5 of 111
    P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    21,342
    127
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    "Satellite is either 1080i or 720p" - just today !

    Tell me what was on your TV from DTV/Dish 4 years ago ? Did you dreamed that time about HD from sat Co ?
     
  6. Jun 16, 2008 #6 of 111
    curt8403

    curt8403 Hall Of Fame

    4,481
    0
    Dec 27, 2007
    has to do with the number of lines per second. I has half the lines of P because it only uses 540 per sweep, and both us the same number of sweeps per second. P uses 1080 lines per sweep/
     
  7. Jun 16, 2008 #7 of 111
    Dolly

    Dolly Hall Of Fame

    2,179
    0
    Jan 30, 2007
    Well I hope there doesn't start to be lots of broadcasting in 1080p. All this high tech stuff no matter what I do it is wrong. I got my HD TV last year 1080i. And then this year I see HD TVs in Ads saying 1080p. I can't win :rolleyes:
     
  8. Jun 16, 2008 #8 of 111
    curt8403

    curt8403 Hall Of Fame

    4,481
    0
    Dec 27, 2007

    worry Not. 1080I is still gonna be really really good. 1080P currently is DVD only as near as I can remember
     
  9. Jun 16, 2008 #9 of 111
    Michael D'Angelo

    Michael D'Angelo Lifetime Achiever

    10,839
    0
    Oct 20, 2006
    The only thing you will see in 1080p for a long time is Blu-ray and HD DVD. If we ever see TV broadcast done in 1080p it will be a long time down the road and I doubt we ever see it.
     
  10. Jun 16, 2008 #10 of 111
    bluemoon737

    bluemoon737 Godfather

    733
    55
    Feb 20, 2007
    Portsmouth, NH

    I wouldn't be too sure about that (remember the original "leaked" photos of the HR21 Pro that clearly showed a 1080P indicating light), the bandwidth required to broadcast 1080/24P is pretty much the same as 1080/60i so I would not be too surprised to see PPV movies broadcast in 1080/24P...just me speculating of course...
     
  11. Jun 16, 2008 #11 of 111
    Ed Campbell

    Ed Campbell Hall Of Fame

    1,329
    8
    Feb 17, 2006
    The main reason I moved to 1080p last autumn was that I was already downloading the occasional tech piece from the Web that was produced in 1080p.

    True, like many, I don't perceive any special difference between 1080i and p - though I wouldn't include 720p in that statement. Still, it's nice to have that capability.
     
  12. Jun 16, 2008 #12 of 111
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    13,447
    0
    Jun 19, 2006
    Also video games. Basically, anything that isn't broadcast.
     
  13. Jun 16, 2008 #13 of 111
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    21,331
    246
    Nov 15, 2005
    1080p is not likely in the near future for D11 or DIRECTV. So... :)
     
  14. Jun 16, 2008 #14 of 111
    P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

    21,342
    127
    Jul 25, 2002
    W.Mdtrn Sea
    Tom, you should reconsider that, if you'll count how many years ago wasn't any 720p or 1080i content at DTV or DIsh. So ? :)
     
  15. Jun 16, 2008 #15 of 111
    Jeremy W

    Jeremy W Hall Of Fame

    13,447
    0
    Jun 19, 2006
    Yeah, that would be like 7 or 8 years ago. He said "near future" which means 1-2 years at the very most. And we won't see any 1080p broadcast channels in that timeframe, so Tom is correct.
     
  16. Jun 17, 2008 #16 of 111
    Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

    21,331
    246
    Nov 15, 2005
    And 10 years ago it was in the books, well planned for broadcast and cable alike. 1080p is not.

    So now I'll spell it out: lets go back to topic for D11 please. :backtotop

    Thanks,
    Tom
     
  17. Jun 17, 2008 #17 of 111
    harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

    21,192
    182
    Jun 14, 2003
    Salem, OR
    You might think that, but take a look at any place where NFL football PQ is discussed and the leader in most discussions is CBS who is offering a 1080i signal.

    'nuff said.
     
  18. Jun 17, 2008 #18 of 111
    Paul A

    Paul A Godfather

    422
    0
    Jul 12, 2007
    I'll take every program, every station, 24/7/365 broadcast in 1080i with a decent quality transfer WAY before I would take only some channels broadcast in 1080P.

    If a movie is really special, I'll purchase it on blu-ray.

    So, D11, are we there yet??? I can't wait unitil August!!!
     
  19. Jun 17, 2008 #19 of 111
    man_rob

    man_rob Hall Of Fame

    1,439
    0
    Feb 21, 2007
    Well, not quite "nuff said." Maybe we should look at an actual source that is a bit less arbitrary.

    From CNET:
    Not to mention, on DirecTV's mpeg4 channels, they just pass along the resolutions they get.

    As for the subject at hand. I wouldn't be surprised if DirecTV started a few new HD channels in July and/or Aug. September will probably be a bigger bang, so to speak, as more HD networks will probably come on line.
     
  20. Jun 17, 2008 #20 of 111
    ziltomil

    ziltomil AllStar

    77
    0
    Jan 14, 2008
    "1080i has more lines and pixels, but 720p is a progressive-scan format that should deliver a smoother image that stays sharper during motion..."

    Too bad should doesn't always work out. I've seen ATSC documentation showing 1080i offers a sharper picture during motion than 720p can.

    http://www.atsc.org/news_information/papers/1995_acats/tsreport.pdf

    ________________________________
    Anyway, how would Directv integrate this BSS technology into their current plans and hardware?
     

Share This Page