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Apple retail event this weekend

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Chris Blount, May 17, 2011.

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  1. Lucavex

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    I understand why folks use Apple products. They're easy, they're reliable, and they just work. Yeah, you'll pay out the nose for a decent Apple computer, but if you have the disposable income and want a hassle-free system, then go for it.

    But, really? Resale value? Seriously? I understand resale value being important on a car, or a home, but a computer? How is that a selling point?

    Oh, and I built a computer in 2008 for roughly $800.00.
    I sold it two months ago for $350.00

    Anyone who says Apple computers retain more resale value than PC computers is feeding you a sales-pitch. There may be a difference in resale value, but the divide is so small it's nearly negligible.

    Me? I'm a die-hard PC guy. Not because I think I'm better than everyone, not because I think Macs are garbage, but because I like to tinker, and I don't want to pay 30% more for a computer that "just works" and does the same things a PC can do.

    Were I an audio or video engineer, I'd probably use a Mac. Operating Systems loosely based on the Unix architecture tend to be more efficient with its resources so audio/video editing is much better on a Mac computer.

    I'm nobody special. I'm just your average guy that likes to "do it yourself" and PCs fit that need nicely with me. I've used Macs, and yeah they're all well and good, but they just aren't for me.

    I hate the stigma I get, though, when I quietly voice that I prefer PCs over Apples. I'm labeled an "Apple Hater" or a "PC Fanboy", and generally get ganged up on by the Apple folks in any forum or thread. It's not that I'm trying to stir up the crowd, but I think it's important to have both sides of the fence talking.

    Ah well, I can't get too upset about how things typically turn out. The debate of Mac Vs. PC has always been polarizing.
     
  2. Herdfan

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    Actually it was. Other than the Mini I bought for my wife and daughter, my MBP was my first Mac. And it was not cheap, so the idea that in a year I could get out of it if it wasn't what I needed was important.

    And I don't think you can compare the resale value using lower end machines. The case and components would be worth something to someone who wants to tinker. How much will a Dell XPS 17 laptop with a price of just under $2000 be worth in 3 years compared to a 17" MBP at $2500? I think you would get your $500 "Apple Tax" back and probably a little more.
     
  3. tcusta00

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    Sigh

    Apparently my example was wholly ignored.
     
  4. Lucavex

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    Hey now, that custom rig was a high-end gaming rig! I was quite proud of it. Cheap, too. Still runs 99% of the modern games that get released.

    A High-End XPS 17" from 3 years back Would still fetch a decent price. While granted, the Apple computers DO retain their resale value better than PCs, I still maintain the difference in resale value should not be a selling point. Buy your computers based on price, specs, performance, what you need, and what you want. Resale value shouldn't be part of the equation, IMO.

    And no, tcusta, your example wasn't ignored, but I could easily drum up an ebay listing that would rebuttal your resale theory. Showcasing one sale isn't exactly proving a point, and eBay isn't a great way of proving economic points. The same way Wikipedia isn't a great resource to cite on your doctoral dissertation.

    I digress. tcusta, I never said your point wasn't VALID, I even agreed that apple computers retain more of their resale value. However, I still contend it's not enough of a difference in resale to talk it up as a selling point. And I feel is necessary to stress AGAIN that I'm not an Apple Hater, just a guy who happens to have a different viewpoint.
     
  5. Chris Blount

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    Well written. I like to tinker as well which is why I built my own PC's for years. It was great fun for a while and then I discovered that I was running into brick walls quickly. For instance, when I started editing HD video, it seems that every year or so as things progressed, I had to buy a new video card just to keep up. Then, every 2 years at least, I needed to replace the entire motherboard and chip just to keep up with other advances in gaming or other CPU intensive programs. It got expensive after a while. After I added up the long term cost, I quickly realized that I can spend the same amount of money all in one shot and get better performance from a Mac. It was simply a question of economics.

    Just because you prefer a PC doesn't mean you are an Apple hater but it's easy to lump everyone into one set because many PC users are vocal about the silly reasons they dislike Apple.
     
  6. Lucavex

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    Agreed 100%, If I did HD Video editing, I would be in the market for a high-end Mac in a heartbeat. However as it stands now, I do some light gaming, tinker a lot, and like to play around with OS customization, and Linux. Heck on my XPS I've got Win7 and Dual-Boot into Ubuntu. (Ubuntu is a great starter Linux build. Love it.)

    I occasionally tease at some light video editing, but nothing that requires a lot of resources, so a PC is perfect for me. I'm not one of those guys who rages at the heavens each time a new apple product is announced.
     
  7. Greg Alsobrook

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    I disagree that the resale value of Macs is not a selling point... or is negligible compared to PCs. I sold a three year old, bottom of the line, $999 Macbook for $650. That's a 65% return on a 3 year old laptop. That's just plain not going to happen with a PC with standard specs. Sorry.

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    I view Macs as an investment. As long as you're willing to pay the "Apple Tax" one time, it's smooth sailing from there. Like that Macbook. I got the brand new model for 350 bucks. Same with iPhones. I haven't paid for an iPhone since the first model. I've made money upgrading every year.
     

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  8. raott

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    As a new mac purchaser and user, the resale value factored in to the extent that it made the Apple Tax more bearable during the initial purchase.

    With that said, I don't think the Apple tax is quite as much as it is made out to be. I realize on a component to component basis it is, but the overall package (size, weight, screen, battery life), I'm not so sure.
     
  9. Greg Alsobrook

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    Went ahead and dug up those auctions just for fun. I've gotten the new model for $199 each time. As I said, I made money...

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  10. Herdfan

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    Same here with the iPhone. Even made $100 selling my 4 with a cracked screen.
     
  11. Laxguy

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    So, you have the 5 now???:D
    You're way ahead of the curve!
    Joking aside, did you get a new 4 from Apple or ATT?
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    Now that the "weekend event" is over....bet the Jobs bobbleheads would have been a bigger hit. :D

    ...and just think what those would re-sell for on eBay... :lol:
     
  13. Lucavex

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    Goodness, those are some decent resale numbers.

    I may have to recant my previous statements about Macs resale value Vs. PC being negligible. Those are some good resales.

    I'm still against the "Apple Tax", and won't be joining the club anytime soon, but those numbers don't lie. And that's multiple sales, I can't say that's just a one-off occurrence.
     
  14. Chris Blount

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    Yeah, when I sold my iPhone 3GS last year to buy my iPhone 4, I got $450 for it.

    I recently sold a 2 year old Macbook Pro for $800 (purchased for $1100) and a 2 year old iMac for $750 (purchased for $1100). I could have got more for them on E-Bay but I sold them locally to some friends that wanted to get into the Mac thing. After selling both, I purchased the latest versions of the hardware.

    Basically, once you buy your first Mac, you never pay full price again.

    Oh and one other thing. I haven't tried this myself but I have heard that if you buy with the Apple education discount online, it's unlikely Apple will check to make sure you are a student.
     
  15. hdtvfan0001

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    For those of you who thought I was kidding...

    The item on the right went up for auction @$2500....

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  16. raott

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    I was where you are one time. Couldn't see how anyone could justify paying more money for less specs and overpriced upgrades. Then I used one and bought one. A mac isn't perfect, there are some strange quirks that make things more difficult, but overall, with a fairly powerful HP laptop in my house and a macbook pro in my house, I rarely use the HP.

    With that said, I would never use a mac for my gaming rig. I prefer a handbuilt windows machine I can build cheap and upgrade cheap.
     
  17. Herdfan

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    AT&T. I had a line that was eligible for an upgrade to a new phone, so I used that line to get a new iPhone. After that transaction was complete, the salesperson moved that phone over to my number. So it was only $199 vs $299 at the Apple store and they keep the old phone. Sold the cracked one on ebay for $299 in 1 minute (Seriously, 1 minute. Got the listing confirmation email at 4:29, and a your item has been sold email at 4:30).

    I had replaced the battery on my 3G and the screen on my daughter's touch, but did not want to try it with the 4.
     
  18. Rich

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    Kinda got my hidey-hole stuffed. I could give my big monitor to the wife. No room for another monitor in here tho. Good thought, I'll give it some consideration. I really ought to get a contractor in here and have the whole room redone, but I like the idea of using a whole room as a junction box. I suppose I'd get used to the smaller screen. Food for thought. I gotta get to an Apple Store and take one for a test drive.

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    None that I know of, but I don't change computers unless technology passes them by.

    Yeah, I do understand that the resale value is good. More food for thought.

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  20. Rich

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    So can I. Just thought I'd ignore that post. A lighted keyboard is an immense upgrade over the unlighted keyboard, I think. I gave my granddaughter the unlighted keyboard. I'm always in a dark room when I use my big desktop and the illuminated keyboard is very handy.

    My son's got a blue light keyboard and mine is white. Still trying to decide which I like better. His is bigger than mine, I like that.

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