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Are you better off than 4 years ago?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Steveox, Oct 21, 2004.

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  1. Geronimo

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    Did Bogy ask for Governemnt help? I don't see where. He answered the question thrown out about each of our personal situations. He said that heas his community are worse off and that he thinks the administration is a cause of that. But he did not ask for Govt help.

    Why not respond to the points he raised (and I can see other sides to some of the points he raised) instead of reading more into his post than may really be there ?
     
  2. Bogy

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    That does a lot of good to help people ripped off by Enron's stock manipulations. A Republican Congress made sure laws were NOT enacted which would have made those manipulations greater visibility.
    And that includes many of the people here in Omaha. You make a very good argument however for why Social Security should not be privitized.
     
  3. Bogy

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    As Geronimo pointed out, I was only answering the question of whether I am better off than I was 4 years ago. I find it interesting that in answering the question anyone who answers no is blamed for his or her situation, or just flat out told they are wrong, and they are really better off. :lol:

    As far as supplementing my income I work at a job which requires my attention 24/7. People here sometimes wonder how I can spend as much time as I do here, but don't understand that weeks go by without an actual "day off" so if I take a few moments now and then for a break, that's my business. As far as the free market, we'll see how the market supply for preachers is doing, because I expect to change locations. :)
     
  4. garypen

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    The Replican controlled Legislature and Executive branch also stood idly by while Enron and others pillaged California's coffers through supply manipulation, price gouging, and other dirty tricks.

    The energy companies' behavior was repeatedly brought to their attention. But, as is their SOP, they sided with corporate interests versus those of the citizens of this nation.
     
  5. Strong

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    Uh, geta grip DL. I never mentioned anything about well paid execs or CFO's. Most of us don't live in that group and there certainly weren't millions of those jobs that were shipped overseas!

    Give those Well Paid CFO's some credit. Even they aren't bottom line oriented enough to outsource their own jobs! :rolleyes:
     
  6. RichW

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    At this juncture we are all yaking past each other. I don't know of anyone on DBSTalk that is now undecided. But it is going to be the undecided who determine who is the next president. Traditionally that says it is going to be Kerry, since the undecided generally break 2 to 1 against the incumbent.

    I, like 20% of all Oregonians, have already voted and have my ballot at the county office. I suspect another 10% are on the way which means we will have a heck of a turnout this year in Oregon. I suspect it will be that way in many states. This is great!
     
  7. Selenna

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    I'm still undecided. As my (very hard core democrat) friend pointed out to me the other day, my problem is that I don't want to vote for Bush but because I have always voted Republican (for president) I have a hard time picturing myself voting for Kerry. I'm tempted to vote for a 3rd party candidate but my biggest fear now is that the election will be close and I think another long, drawn-out fight over who really won will be worse for the country then either of the candidates winning.
     
  8. RichW

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    Selenna,

    Come on over to the dark side :) and vote for Kerry like this Republican did. :)

    Seriously, though, I believe that most undecided folks really have decided in their hearts to vote for Bush or Kerry but have a ahard time admitting it. Perhaps you are waiting for some "October surprise" to help you along.

    But let me help you. Just watch this little crystal as it swings. You getting drousy, you are getting sleepy.... :)
     
  9. BuckeyeChris

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    What's the read in Oregon? Does Kerry have the Pacific Northwest safely in the blue column? Rush said yesterday that Oregon was back in play. I don't know if I believe that entirely, but maybe there was some truth to it.
     
  10. RichW

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    From the number of Kerry lawn signs and bumper stickers, you would think this is Massachusetts. What gives the conservatives hope is that an anti-gay marriage amendment to our state constitution is on the ballot and appears to be winning (which I expected).

    My own prognosticaion is that Kerry will win by around 100K votes out of 1.6 million cast. He will win by a higher percentage if turnout is higher. We have about 2 million registered voters this year. About 20% have already voted. Also the higher the percentage, the anti-gay amendment will still pass, but by a smaller percentage. I think it will be about 55%, meaning that 45% of Oregon voters (mostly dems, libertarians and independents) will vote against it.

    The only factor that made Oregon close in 2000 is that Nader pulled in about 5% of the vote. He didn't qualify for the ballot this time in spite of paying folks to collect signatures.

    By the way, my projection says that Bush will narrowly carry your state of Ohio, so I am not partisan with my mathematics. The key in this election is still Florida.
     
  11. JM Anthony

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    Now if only you worked for MSFT out here in the great pacific northwest, voting for Kerry wouldn't be that difficult. A couple of months back, Washington looked like it might be one of the toss up states. Now it seems to be pretty firmly in the Kerry camp. A couple of the other Statewide positions, particularly the AG will be interesting to watch.
     
  12. Strong

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    Oh no. :mad: We were the key last time. We don't want to be the key again. Its not fair! Who's in charge here, who can we sue?
     
  13. RichW

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    It is your lot in life. After all you do have more keys than any other state! :)
     
  14. alfbinet

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    It is unfortunate, but I agree with you RichW. Ohio will go for Bush. Regardless what BuckeyeChris says, this state is in a MAJOR mess and it "ain't" because of the "Dems". What we need is MORE conservative Republicans running the state!:(
     
  15. garypen

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    Rim shot!
     
  16. BuckeyeChris

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    September 2004 Unemployment Rate For Several Central OH Counties:
    Franklin County (Columbus), 4.9%
    Fairfield County, 5.1%
    Delaware, 3.5%
    Madison County, 4.6%
    Union County, 4.0%
    Fayette, 4.6%
    Knox 4.6%

    Source: Ohio Department of Job and Family Services Office of Workforce Development Bureau of Labor Market Information

    Knock that rust off yourself and head south to Central Ohio! There are plenty of jobs here and the housing market is affordable.
     
  17. HappyGoLucky

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    How many people are simply off of the unemployment rolls, yet still unemployed or underemployed? After your 6 months of UI runs out, you're not counted any longer, but that doesn't automatically mean you are now employed. Just in my neighborhood in suburban Atlanta, I know of 8 people who are now unemployed for over a year. Some are working temporary part-time jobs just to keep food on the table, and they are still very actively searching for permanent employment. One of my best friends was laid off from a $90k/year job (after being with the company, EDS, for 21 years, just 4 years away from retirement) and has had to settle for a job making $21k/year, had to sell his vehicles, file bankruptsy just to save his house from foreclosure... he's been interviewing for other jobs for over a year now, but the market is flooded with others just like him.

    People who claim the job market is great and the economy is rosey are just not looking in the right places.
     
  18. RichW

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    I think Chris's point is that while unemployment is high in certain Ohio counties, there are still jobs availoable in others. There are actually two Ohios. :)

    On the other hand, in Washington and Oregon, and to some extent California, the employment picture is bleak both in the cities and the rural areas. What makes matters even worse here on the West Coast is that many od those lost jobs were held by affluent folks in the high-tech industries that might otherwise support GWB (like I did in 2000). Add several other issues to the mix. Veterans here are leaning more toward Kerry unlike in other states. Investors her lean toward Kerry, unlike in most other states. People here are more tolerant to gays and lesbians and dislike GWBs position on a consitutional amendment. Oregon libertarians lean more toward Kerry than Bush because of the War, the deficit, and the gay issue, in spite of agreeing with tax cuts.
     
  19. alfbinet

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    Chris, I have to give you this, I did like "Knock of the Rust" bit.
     
  20. BuckeyeChris

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    :) Words are fun.

    I am not without sympathy for my fellow Ohioans who have fallen on some tough times in NE Ohio. Both my parents were factory workers for a glass manufacturing company. My mother was the treasurer for the local American Flint Glass Workers Union. I can remember we had to endure a couple of strikes growing up; times were tough in the '70s and '80s.

    I am huge Browns and Indians fan. I admire the blue collar, working class attitude of NE Ohioans.
     
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