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Are you scared to take a vacation?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Mark Holtz, Jun 1, 2013.

  1. 4HiMarks

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    I worked for a company that had a policy to only pay you for 40 hours of accumulated PTO upon separation. It looked like we were in danger of losing the contract and I had a vacation planned to celebrate a birthday milestone of my girlfriend's. My boss passed on to me that the owner said this wasn't a good time for me to be taking vacation. I called the owner and expressed my concern that if I didn't take the vacation, I would lose the PTO if we did lose the contract and I got laid off. I was verbally promised that wouldn't happen. When the layoff happened after all, I got a termination letter promising me "all accumulated leave."

    I got a check for 40 hours (I had over 100 at the time). When I called them on it, they claimed the letter meant "all accumulated leave up to 40 hours as specified in the employee handbook." The owner got selective amnesia about the promise to pay me everything if I cancelled my vacation. I had to file a grievance with the state Labor Relations agency. It took 3 or 4 months, but I finally got what was promised me.

    MY GF works for a company that will automatically cash out any accumulated PTO in excess of a certain amount at the end of the year at the rate of 80%. She has been with them a long time and earns way more PTO than me, so she typically gets a nice check around February.
     
  2. djlong

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    Disgusting.

    Just more evidence that we are no longer people to many employers. We are simply commodities. The idea of taking away your vacation and taxing you 20% for the privilege sounds like an illegal confiscation of labor. It's probably legal, but certainly unethical and immoral.
     
  3. James Long

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    We have vacation cash out programs where I work. It is not something WE are forced to do. It is an option.

    If one does not wish to cash out their vacation they simply need to take their vacation.

    So far every job I have ever had limited vacations in some way. Either expiring them (completely lost) if not taken within a certain time period (for example, within 18 months of being awarded) or limiting accrual. My current job limits the number of accrued vacation days to about six weeks. For most employees it would take several years without a vacation to reach the six weeks.

    Without some limits or expiry someone could theoretically store up months of vacation. Employers need to get that liability off of their books.
     
  4. dpeters11

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    Based on this thread, I get the feeling I'm very fortunate to have my company's policy.
     
  5. 4HiMarks

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    We don't feel it is disgusting. They are very generous with leave for someone with that much seniority, and it would be difficult for someone with her responsibilities to take that much time off and still get her job done (which includes filling in when any employees that report to her are on leave). When you're the boss, you have to make sure "your people" are taken care of.

    A few years ago they tried to change the policy and make it "use or lose," but that didn't get much traction, as organizations where that is the policy (e.g. the federal gov't) typically get no work done during the entire month of December. If you, yourself are not out on PTO, then the person who has to sign off on your work is, or the one whose work you have to sign off on, or both.

    It would be nicer if it was paid at 100% instead of 80, but that is an incentive to take the leave. Sinceshe is also collecting her full salary, it amounts to a nice bonus to cover year-end bills.
     
  6. houskamp

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    all those "use it or loose it" policies are just plain stupid.. some places allow you to accumulate indefinately.. not only does company get to keep that money in the bank but also don't have to hire a temp while you are gone.. known people that retired a year early on vac pay.. instead of company hiring a temp (and paying both people), they just hire new person and go on..
     
  7. dpeters11

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    I can understand it. I was able to get the policy overridden once, but only by a few days. That was good enough for me however.
     
  8. James Long

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    They are still paying the person their vacation for that year. So your logic of not paying both people is severely flawed.

    People need breaks. Those who skip breaks and lunches and fail to take vacations end up costing the company in productivity.
     
  9. dpeters11

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    Some pay out. Others if you don't use all your vacation, you truly just lose it, with no payout. It's the employee's responsibility to take their time, and if the company is reasonable about requesting time off, I really don't have an issue with that.
     
  10. houskamp

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    I'm allways worse after a holiday.. takes a couple days to get back to normal..
     
  11. The Merg

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    Where I work, I can accumulate up to 320 hours of leave, although it was 240 hrs when I first started. At the end of the year, if I have more than the max accumulated, the extra is rolled over in to my sick leave. When I retire, I can convert my sick leave into time worked to either allow me to retire a bit early or to add on to my time of service to help increase my retirement. Any annual leave that I have left at that time is paid out to me at my hourly rate.

    - Merg
     
  12. swyman18

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    My company requires employees that deal directly with financial transactions and such to take 10 consecutive days off at some point each year. It helps them uncover any "irregularities".

    Most IT employes like myself are required to take 5 consecutive days. Sometimes that is hard to manage depending on our workload.
     
  13. dpeters11

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    I have to say, I find that slightly bizarre, as someone in IT.
     
  14. djlong

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    When I worked at Fidelity Investments there were rules to that effect. If you were designated as an "Access Employee", you did have to take AT LEAST 5 consecutive days off each and every year. It was part of the Code of Ethics you had to sign at orientation - and every year on your anniversary.
     
  15. ionamartin123

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    hi all, I'm new here. And found a topic that I'm thinking about for a long time now. I wanna go on a vacation without taking my ipad, mobile and laptop and wanna see how the world is without these :) but, sadly, I depend on my monthly wage and taking some days off I can't imagine how horrible would it be to pay my bills. Thanks for creating this thread.

    djlong, "AT LEAST 5 consecutive days off each and every year.", this is just awesome :)
     
  16. dpeters11

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    Personally, I believe everyone should have the ability to take paid vacation and sick time. It doesn't help anyone to have people that are sick in the workplace, and some time off (or at least the ability) is important for mental health.
     
  17. djlong

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    That's been a major shift in attitude over the course of my career.

    Earlier this year, I was hit by SOMEthing that affected my lungs, my voice, my head, etc. I was trying to get work done and my boss told me to go home that day, and stay home the next (which was a Friday) so that I could rest, recuperate (with the weekend) and hopefully be productive Monday (I'd just started taking some prescribed medication for it).

    Otherwise, I could have been lingering another week or two.

    I felt fortunate that I actually HAD sick leave to take and that I could take it without fear.
     
  18. Mark Holtz

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  19. 4HiMarks

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    The company doesn't keep the money in the bank. It carries it as a liability under accounts payable, ansd it is frowned upon to carry too much for too long. Also, the longer you keep the accumulated leave, the more it costs them, unless you never get a raise. Remember it is paid out at the salary you are making when you take it, not the salary you had when you earned it.
     
  20. tsmacro

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    Actually taking a vacation every so often is a good thing, not only for my mental health and peace of mind but it also reminds my boss and co-workers how much I do since they now have to cover for me. Never fails that when I do take time off I get told how glad they are to have me back. So no, I'm not afraid to take time off, I'm afraid if I didn't I'd be taken for granted.
     

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