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Are you willing to pay for mrv, and if so, how much?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by hdtvfan0001, Jan 26, 2010.

How much are you willing to pay for MRV?

  1. Nothing

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    0.0%
  2. $1-2

    907 vote(s)
    68.5%
  3. $3-4

    228 vote(s)
    17.2%
  4. $5-6

    130 vote(s)
    9.8%
  5. $7 or more

    60 vote(s)
    4.5%
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  1. Feb 1, 2010 #581 of 1107
    gphvid

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    Thousand...
    In a word, no. The DVR fees and their increase are enough. Any additional fee will not necessarily go toward additional HD programming. Besides, the competitors apparently do not charge for this. If D* charges for this it could very well be a deal breaker.
     
  2. Feb 1, 2010 #582 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    I'm sure things will change over time and it may well be in flux now .. Once the HD fee starts going up or becoming embedded in standard programming costs, it will probably be more common place. Until then, I'd still say generally speaking that is not true.
     
  3. Feb 1, 2010 #583 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    Understand the concern and from a glitch point of view, let me just say .. you needn't be worried about that part of the equation.

    DIRECTV will have some sort of package for upgrade .. I'm almost positive of that one. I don't know how much it will cost, but it will likely include SWiM, DECA and receivers/DVRs when necessary.
     
  4. Feb 1, 2010 #584 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    You are correct, it is only the HD equivalent for your package and doesn't include he HD Extras at all.

    As for DIRECTV making more than enough? I'd have to agree .. otherwise the HD Access fee would have increased this year as well. It didn't.
     
  5. Feb 1, 2010 #585 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    You are incorrect .. The competitors DO charge more for MultiRoom Viewing ..

    AT&T is $2 more per box per month (when compared to DIRECTVs per-box charge)

    FiOS is $4 more per DVR using all FiOS pricing

    DISH is $4 more per DVR using all DISH pricing (and limited to one other SD TV)

    It's rumored that DIRECTV's MRV fee will be $4/month per account .. So the added fee from DIRECTV will be higher than it is now, but still less than the competition.
     
  6. Feb 1, 2010 #586 of 1107
    MycroftHolmes

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    ...and a 2 year extension on your contract.
     
  7. Feb 1, 2010 #587 of 1107
    smiddy

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    I don't see myself purchasing it since my setup allows me to deal with multirooms more adequately, with direct source to TV interface I already have setup. I think that if people are going to have to purchase it, eventually, the quality of it needs to improve quite a bit however. Pixelization and audio issues are abound and tough to endure. The maddening amount of those two problems would be worth getting a separate DVR to those locations you wish to watch it (or install a more robust HD transport conduit, but that cost more money). Just my tar pence.
     
  8. Feb 1, 2010 #588 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    Not necessarily, but odds are you are correct. The extension only matters if you're want the option to easily move to another provider, yes? If you have no intention of leaving DIRECTV, then the extension is pretty much moot.
     
  9. Feb 1, 2010 #589 of 1107
    Jeremy W

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    Length is not an indicator of quality. It's an indicator of the inability to be concise.
     
  10. Feb 1, 2010 #590 of 1107
    susanandmark

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    What is your point? If you don't want to read someone's post, be it 2 words or 2,000, then don't. What are you adding to the conversation with your (completely nonsensical) commentary on wordiness?

    And, by the by, just to unnecessarily extend my own clearly off-topic rant ... Not every problem, complaint or compliment can be adequately explained/described via a soundbite or Twitter post. Something our culture, to its detriment, seems to have forgotten. Brevity and clarity clearly have their place, but so does exposition.

    As to what others have been saying about the actual topic at hand (in case you've forgotten: DirecTV and their rumored room-to-room viewing fee) ... I have been a DirecTV customer for more than a decade and, for much of that time, due to my location, satellite TV has been my only option. (That is no longer the case.)

    When I first subscribed there were large up-front fees for the equipment, but my monthly fees, for all channels available (and I was paying two companies to get them), were less than $75. That was more than cable, but we also got significantly more channels so we felt it was worth it.

    We've added 2 TVs (we had 3 from the beginning), DirecTV-specific DVRS and, eventually, HD DVRs but all those came with with, again, big up-front equipment costs to us. I currently pay upwards of $180 for the same level of service from DirecTV, while digital cable and other innovations have made DirecTV's one-time channel advantage moot or, in many parts of the country, bested. Our number of channels has certainly not doubled, but the bill has more than done so.

    DirecTV is a business, and they can run their business any way they want but, to my mind anyway, their current direction is a losing one.

    I've compared our costs to cable and Dish and, say whatever you want, DirecTV is THE highest-price option we have for television. The addition of many new fees (not just for programming but dubious "services"), along with their onerous and highly-suspect "contracts" (I use the term very loosely because DirecTV neither has to inform customer's prior to the start of said "contract", nor prove the existence of such of to enforce it), are just the final straw. At least for this long-time customer.

    Sure, in the case of room-to-room I can just decide not to partake, but for most other fees I have no choice without making serious programming compromises: HD access, HD extra (if I want all channels), etc. Then there are the receiver fees, for a product I not only already paid for up front AND they now make you give back, but you also have to agree to a programming commitment in exchange for. Oh, AND give them $5 a month more for, EACH. What a deal! (That makes the cost of each HD DVR--for something you don't even own--$319 WITHOUT programming, just in the two years you're required to have/use it. I don't even want to do the math on what we've paid for our five units over the years—all replaced every 2-4 years as new tech emerges.)

    I would also argue strenuously with the idea that "the majority" of DirecTV's customers are SD only. Three years ago? Even two? Yeah, maybe, but we live in rather rural neighborhood of about 100 homes. All have satellite service, either Dish or DirecTV. I'd say we know about half the families personally and every single one we do has HD. This is a middle class neighborhood, but even those friends I know that are decidedly below the middle class line have HDTVs these days and all have at least SOME HD channels to go with them. In fact, now that digital over-the-air TV is widely available (not to us, we live in the boonies), I know quite a few people that have done away with cable or satellite altogether and JUST get HD locals via antenna. Oh and, on a purely price basis, Dish has far out-paced DirecTV households in our neighborhood over the past 2-3 years.

    In fact, the only person I know that DOESN'T have HDTV is my sister-in-law, but she also has a rotary dial phone and AOL dial-up Internet access from home (that she doesn't know how to use, and can't figure out to how to cancel) so she's not exactly DirecTV's target market. And, in fact, she has never even had cable, relying solely on rabbit ears and a TV that was old when I was born. My point being, that people who have gone to the trouble/expense of satellite TV, are much more likely to be part of the 35% of American households who now have HDTVs (numbers date to May 2009), and not the 65% (less now, I'd guess) that don't.
     
  11. Feb 1, 2010 #591 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    One thing that is clear is that DIRECTV is going to charge for MRV .. Another is that enthusiasts (as evidenced by the poll) really don't care for that.
     
  12. Feb 1, 2010 #592 of 1107
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    I don't know, your post was too long and I lost my train of thought as I skipped over it.

    :lol:
     
  13. Feb 1, 2010 #593 of 1107
    hitokage

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    Unfortunately it also tells them that at least 35% will pay.
     
  14. Feb 1, 2010 #594 of 1107
    mikeny

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    Yeah but only about 16% seem willing to pay at least the amount of the rumored fee.
     
  15. Feb 1, 2010 #595 of 1107
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    I think the real number is over 35% too. Lots of people voted Nothing or $1-$2, as the think/believe it should be an included feature, after waiting all these years for it. Just how many of those will pay once the fee is offical? I really doubt all 65% will not use MRV, factor in just 10% of them, and Direct is well over capturing 20% of the base at $3.99 a month.(20% is a very normal guide line for a company launching a new product)
    So around 2million X $3.99
     
  16. Feb 1, 2010 #596 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    Plus, it's tough to gauge the real customer base from the information here. Clearly some percentage won't care to take MRV regardless. Those with no DVRs or no HD wouldn't even need it and likely that's already a high percentage of customers. (it wouldn't be offered to them)

    Then there is a large group of one DVR + 1-3 "other room" receivers. This is the group most likely to benefit from MRV while utilizing the same equipment. How many will take it? I don't know.

    We are all enthusiasts here and MRV has been expected for years now. At best, it's disappointing that the wait has turned into a pay-for item. I'm curious what the real number turns out to be once the price is known and folks sit down and really think whether they want it or not vs. what likely has an emotional element to it right now.
     
  17. Feb 1, 2010 #597 of 1107
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    ok, so this weekend i upgraded from a 10/100 to a 10/100/1000 network (in my house). i did this with the idea that i most likely won't have MRV, etc. with that being said, i then wired up all my HD DVR's and enableds the MRV'ing feature.

    my thoughts:

    what a pile of junk. if d* thinks i will pay them to install a new network and then a monthly fee for this garbage, they are crazy

    seriously, i was not impressed . . . to the point where i disabled it. who thought of putting all the recorded shows under one listing? i mean, wouldn't it make logical sense to default to what is recorded on that box, then have the option to bring in additional boxes (or browse them)? as a person that has 5+ HD DVR's, i can't tell you what a headache it was to have to shuffle through all the programs without the ability to hide ones from select boxes.

    am i missing something, is that option available, or . . . is this just a huge oversight on the part of d* developers? if this is version MRV 1.0, i will pass until the next version comes out (especially if they are asking me to pay for it).
     
  18. Feb 1, 2010 #598 of 1107
    Doug Brott

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    DIRECTV allows you to filter as Everything or Local .. There is no in between.

    There is a poll here if you'd like to discuss this aspect of the design (or simply vent about it).
     
  19. Feb 1, 2010 #599 of 1107
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    I agree about the importance of the DVR + 1-3 room receiver group. They have the most to gain from MRV, essentially turning their receivers into DVRs. I still think they would be better served by minimizing the fee and not making it more that 50% of the DVR fee. At the 50% threshold, you're psychologically making the subscriber pay twice.

    There is nothing wrong with keeping the fee at $1-$2. McDonalds has a very successful campaign with their "Dollar Menu".

    Edit to add: Of course, I think it should be free.
     
  20. Feb 1, 2010 #600 of 1107
    dhines

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    thanks for the link, i wasn't aware of that thread.
     
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