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Asiana Flight 214 - KTVU FAIL on pilot names

Discussion in 'The OT' started by trh, Jul 15, 2013.

  1. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    I still like the notion they were punked by another station for some transgression or other... and I don't believe they did check with the NTSB.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    While not blaming the anchor who read them... I honestly have to say any anchor worth his or her salt should have immediately thought "WTF" and instead of reading the names, simply said I think we are having a technical issue here and will have to get back to this story later.

    Lots of blame to go around all the way up the food chain because if this can make it to air, then basically every news story that makes it to air becomes less credible since you know there isn't a reliable vetting process.
     
  3. James Long

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    So the NTSB fired an intern for nothing?

    I'd like to see the full story and timeline. Punked by another station sounds good - and even if the BS meter went off that is why they CONFIRMED the names. "We have it, it is confirmed, we're going to air."

    Someone's BS meter went off as it aired or they would not have aired the apology in the same newscast. It is an odd situation ... and I'd like to see the tick-tock.
     
  4. Laxguy

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    Yes, so would I. Didn't know they found a culprit and fired the poor kid. Moron! (the kid, not you!)
     
  5. BattleScott

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    I still think the NTSB intern, who was probably just a phone-receptionist or general call center operator, took the inquiry as a prank call itself. Like "Prince William in a can" or "is your refrigerator running". If someone called you and read you those names asking for confirmation, could you possibly take it seriously?

    I still like the inter-office email joke gone horribly wrong theory. Someone made up the graphic, probably even had a nice *ALERT* PILOT NAMES IDENTIFIED - subject, and circulated as a joke inside the station. Then in the blink of an eye it was "confirmed" and on the air. Judging by the fact they were so quick to blame the NTSB, I think that if the names had come from an external source, they would have offered that up as an excuse as well.

    Either way though, it is totally on the station. It just goes to show how little emphasis there is on truth and accuracy and how much there is on being first to air.

    5 secs. after airing:

    Producer: WHERE DID THESE FRIGGIN NAMES COME FROM?
    copyboy: I got an email with them in it.

    Producer: DID WE FRIGGIN VERIFY THEM?
    copyboy: I called the NTSB 800 number and asked if they were right.

    Producer: WHO THE HELL DID YOU TALK TO AT THE NTSB?
    copyboy: I don't know, someone answered the phone and said "NTSB can I help you?" So I asked them if these were the right names, "they said Yeah-sure" and hung up.

    Producer: oh-shit....
     
  6. Laxguy

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    Nice take, Scott. Could be the start of a screen play you'll write!
     
  7. The Merg

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    I'm still a little confused about this whole thing. An intern at the NTSB confirmed the names to someone at KTVU. After that, KTVU aired the names. I got that. What I'm wondering (and don't know if it is known yet) is how did KTVU come by these names. Obviously, it seems like it started as a prank in some sort, but was it someone at KTVU just having fun and it went too far or was it as someone stated a competitor finding a way to sabotage KTVU. Has anything come about how it all started and besides the executive producer of the news show resigning/fired, has anyone else at KTVU been fired?


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  8. Stewart Vernon

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    I just watched Anchorman last night... felt like a timely thing to do... with the teleprompter scene... there just shouldn't be any way this can happen in real life on a news program. They have to vet things better than that. Seems like a few heads should be rolling.
     
  9. trh

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    From what I've read, KTVU hasn't responded to media inquiries as to where the names came from.
    One web site is reporting that KTVU is trying to take down all the video clips on YouTube. (Like that is going to make this all 'better').
    Stephen Colbert has some of his unique insight into this whole cluster fuk. http://youtu.be/s3ddVH6C-QQ
     
  10. Laxguy

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    A few days ago, the Youtube video I had saved and watched in amazement when the story broke came up with a "taken down, copyright infringement" notice. Not surprising, and I don't blame them a bit.

    Won't fool all those who've already seen the gaffe but it keeps it in the semi-viral state perhaps.
     
  11. James Long

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    If you're going to make an ethnic joke at least get the ethnicity right. :)


    I'd prefer to see an in depth investigation into the crash (although that seems to be solved) instead of an in depth investigation into the names issue. But it would be nice to know that the person responsible for creating the names would receive the proper credit.
     
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    "Sources tell us the fake names - which had been posted on the Internet at least two days before - came to the station via e-mail from an expert source who had provided information to the station in the past."
     
  14. phrelin

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    That does have to make one wonder what really happened. But I think this comment in the article is right on:

    Still, I can't imagine how the woman at the desk in front of the camera could read those names and not realize before she read them all that something was wrong. I wonder if we could just replace with a robot her and the others who apparently just read out loud.
     
  15. yosoyellobo

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    How would your robot handle something like "Man Te Qui Ya" which would be pronounce Mantequilla which means Butter in Spanish?
     
  16. phrelin

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    It would be programmed to speak all the written languages in the world. Hey, it's my imaginary robot. :sure:
     
  17. Laxguy

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    Would it do grammer an spellin good? In awl languages?
     
  18. yosoyellobo

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    I thought I saw one the other day. Turns out it was only my imagination.:)
     

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