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Ask DBSTalk: Problems with DPP44 and 61.5!

Discussion in 'Other HD Receiver Support Forum (811, 921, 942)' started by jsanders, May 4, 2005.

  1. David_Levin

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    Don't know about the twin, but according to the DPP44 installation guide you can get 1 wing just fine on a legacy receiver.

    There's a nice little chart. Let's see if I can summarize...

    models: 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, JVC D-VHS, 7100, 7200
    Dish ports 1-3: any dbs satellite (no 105/121)
    port 4: not supported
    (so you can get 110/119 & 1 wing on port 3 - looks like a legacy SW64).

    models: 2800, 3900, 4900, 6000
    ports 1 & 2: 110 & 119
    port 3: 61.5, 148, 105, 121
    port 4: 105, 121

    models Dish Pro & Dish Pro Plus
    No Restrictions on port Usage (any port any bird)

    Since the legacy's can't do HD anyway, it shouldn't be a problem putting it on port 4 (assuming your getting locals from 148 on port 3).
     
  2. gunawo

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    Mark,
    For your information,
    I installed a DPP44 in place of my DP34 today and did not use a separator
    I'm having the same problems as others. The 921 sees 61.5 but says no signal.
    I've ordered a separator. I did not reinstall the DP 34 because The receiver seems to function normally but I just don't receive 61.5.
    One side effect I've seen that I did not with the DP34 is a video and audio drop on recorded programs. It just drops for a second or two, very annoying. I've read about this problem but never experienced it myself until I installed the DPP44.
    Another piece of the puzzle????

    Superdish 110,119,121
    Dish 300 61.5 (no signal)
    All DP LNBs
    DPP44
     
  3. Mark Lamutt

    Mark Lamutt Your Neighborhood Liasion

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    Maybe, slimjim...maybe.
     
  4. jsanders

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    Huh?? Am I missing a context or something? My legacy lnbs and legacy sw21s did HD just fine. I must be mis-understanding what you meant by that.
     
  5. Michael P

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    I believe he means legacy IRD's can't do HD. Legacy LNB's OTOH do work.

    I stand corrected on the "no wing sats on legacy IRD's" post, I misinterpreted something on the DishStore.net page. You can get wing sats on a legacy, as long as the LNB for the wing is a DP LNB. This is wth a DPP twin or switch - not a DP.
     
  6. David_Levin

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    Yea, that's what I ment.
     
  7. sledhead 700

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    Same as you all...Had the $100 install for a 3rd dish and a DPP44 switch, 921 and 508 receivers. The 508 sees all the sats 119, 110, 121, and 61.5 with good strength. 921 sees 119, 110, 121 and no 61.5...it sees the LNB but no signal. Installer on the phone with tech 1.5 hours (on hold most of the time). Tech says there is a problem with my 921 and they will RMA me another. After reading this thread it looks like another issue. I thought I would try the separator but it looks like on the Dish Depot site you need to have DPP LNBs also. Anyone that has made this work..Do you have DPP LNBs or just DP LNBs?

    Thanks for your help

    Dave
     
  8. dfergie

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    Try a Seperator first...If your dpp44 works, you have dishpro lnbs instead of legecy's.
     
  9. David_Levin

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    No, you do not need Dish Pro Plus LNB to use DPP44 (and separator). Legacy LNB will not work, but the regular Dish Pro is fine.

    If you're using two feeds from the DPP44, definately get the separator (that should make the 921 happy).

    (unlikely an installer will know about the problem, doubt many CSRs do either).

    I reported this months ago, but I don't think anyone believed me...

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=36430&highlight=DPP44
     
  10. tm22721

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    My 921 has been receiving 61.5 just fine. I have a DPP444 installed in November without a separator.
     
  11. sledhead 700

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    Thanks David- I will get a separator and let you all know.

    Dave
     
  12. erh1117

    erh1117 Cool Member/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    Yesterday, I had my local installer put up a third dish (for 61.5). Shhhh!!! Don't tell the wife!

    Anyhow, the only issue was dish placement. And the DP44 and separator worked without a hitch. So, now I've got VOOM and am impressed with the quality of the VOOM picture. The content is a bit spotty and repetitive, but I have already justified the $5.00 per month with one movie the wife loved ("Passage to India") and one Rave concert I loved.
     
  13. rstaples

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    Michael, Dish updated my Dual and twin LNBs to Dishpro using a DP34 switch so I could watch the new VOOM offerings. I am having problems in that it worked when first installed then, later that evening, the system could not find the switch. This morning, I tapped the switch lightly by using a broom handle and it started working again. Now, again this evening, the system is reporting a switch error. If it is not a compatability problem then it would seem that I may have a bad switch or loose connection at the switch. Any ideas anyone?
    :confused:
     
  14. David_Levin

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    rstaples,

    Well, if tapping it with a hammer has any effect, you have a bad switch (or a lose connection). Hitting it really hard with a very big hammer should make the problem less intermittant :).

    Why use the hammer? If you paid dish for the install, call em back and let em fix it.
     
  15. rstaples

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    I used a broom handle since standing on top of my ladder I still could not reach the switch. No hammer was used, although I was angry enough to try one. :lol:

    My FIRST step was to call Dish and reschedule and they will be here tomorrow to fix it. I just wondered if anyone else was having a problem with this particular switch so I could avoid having them reinstall with the same reception problems and have to wait another four or five days to reschedule yet another "fix". :nono2:
     
  16. jergenf

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    My install was completed May 7th. The installers did have problems seeing the 61.5 sat through the DPP44. They finally got it to work after adding the separator however even doing that earlier didn't work at first. If all is working it should do the 4 point switch test and not the 28 or 34 tests that were initally seen.
     
  17. rstaples

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    Dish came back today and replaced the DP34 switch and everything seems to be working fine now. One problem I had thought might be with the new VOOM channels was that it often took between 7 and 14 seconds to change from one VOOM channel to another. After the new switch was installed that problem disappeared. :D
     
  18. sledhead 700

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    I got the separator today and installed. Ran check switch see all 4 sats. Thanks to all who helped :D

    Dave
     
  19. Apure

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    One thing to keep in mind: The installer will most likely show up without any knowledge of the need for a DPP44. When I setup the appointment with Dish I specifically let them know that I needed a DPP44 since I have locals on 148. The CSR checked with a "supervisor" and was told I was right. The installer showed up with a work order that nowhere mentioned a DPP44. Of course he did not have one with him. After calling his office, he said he'd be back in half an hour. Half an hour later he was back DPP44 in hand. After installing the new dish and switch, we ran a check and sure enough only one input recognized the setup (I had two separate lines running from the switch to the 921). I told him we needed a separator to split one line before we connected it to the 921. He put the separator in and voila! four satellite locations available. He called Dish and activated the additional channels. Even though he had never seen a 921 before, he was open minded enough to listen to my suggestions and got job done. Had I not read this thread, we would still be trying to figure out what was wrong.
     

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