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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Mar 15, 2007.
"Better" is subjective, but more options? I have to call you out on that one. Please explain.
On the HR20 I simply bring up the guide, hit one button to record, hit it twice for a season pass. The *Tivo* is the one you have to go thru acrobatics to setup a recording. I can do "info" on HBO for example and quickly setup more then a dozen movies to record over the next 2 weeks in about a minute or so.
So I'm not quite understanding why you think the HR20 is so complicated to setup recordings. It's probably the one thing that most agree on is better then the Tivo.
So I'm just curious as to your perspective.
Oh, I remember the days of programming a show to record on a HR10 in the 3.1.x days. It was sheer joy waiting 5 minutes for a simple record confirmation.
Wasn't the rumor that part of the reason Liberty was attempting to take over DirecTV was to re-attempt the merger with Dish Network.
True, it was initially shot down, but the climate has changed slightly with increased penetration of Phone Companies entering the TV market... and rumors are that the XM/Sirius merger actually has a shot at getting done. That will be the one to watch... if it does it might end up meaning everyone gets a Vip622 instead.
I sgree - please D*, sign a new agreement with Tivo. At least have a conversation with them! Don't tie yourself to theNDS legacy! I speak for many on this board and many other friends who are D* users - "LET US DECIDE"
People probably use price as the primary motivator in picking a provider. Programming does not vary much between cable and sat, at least here in the great north. (the exception is of course the sports packages). The HD channel selections are all but identical. The future is HD, and I expect both cable and sat will be primarily HD in less than 3 years. We are getting closer to the tipping point, where the majority of viewers will have HD. I see it in my workplace, a lower middle class bunch. DVRs will continue to grow in popularity, unless the providers and advertisers figure out a way to kill them. When they do, the market will become more educated, and "any old dvr" will not do. It's good business sense to develop or use the best machine available. I agree that joe sixpack does not have a clue about the differences in dvrs, but it is foolish to think it will stay that way.
I think if I have learned anything about the HR20 it is that they (D*) screwed up by releasing it too early. The public should never be subjected to being used as a test bed for any device.
That said, I think D* probably made the decision to not allow anyone else to make their own DVRs that would be compatable with D*s MPEG2 and MPEG4 transmissions strictly because of business decisions. If they lease one million HR20s in the next year, won't they be able to claim them as an asset and as the technology improves as a business loss?
By the same token, you have to have some sympathy for D*. Have had many years of good service and dependable service and most importantly, a great picture. Imagine how much money this fiasco has cost them? And I do believe in the HR20.
I love my HD-tivo so much that even though i paid $1,000 for it i would gladly pay directv another $100.00 to upgrade it to mpeg 4 capability and commit to 5 MORE YEARS WITH THEM!!
I switched to DirecTV in 1999 for two clear reasons:
1. Cable TV in my area was unreliable (many outages far too frequently) and the cable company was unresponsive and could not even troubleshoot their own problems.
2. DirecTiVo with the promise of dual tuner operation (which came to us within a year). I evaluated stand-alone TiVo (single tuner, re-encode from analog video and audio) vs. DirecTiVo (dual tuner with direct digital recording of MPEG-2 video and Dolby Digital 5.1 or PCM audio).
If DirecTV abandons TiVo, and if Comcast has a successful TiVo over Moto implementation, I will seriously consider moving back to cable (which, by the way, is far more reliable than it was when I left, as proven by my limited basic $12 cable and my cable modem service).
DirecTV, let's see you make a serious offer to we happy DirecTiVo customers before we leave. An HR 20 or an R15 would not be a serious offer due to missing functionality and lack of reliability, as reported herein.
I would love it if Direct TV & Tivo got back together. We've gone though a few HR20's and we still love our R10 Tivo unit (bedroom). We call it "Ole Reliable"
Just cruising along with S3 Tivo....No HR20 POS....Tivo is better!
I'm probably going to switch to E* in the fall, but if D* went back to Tivo, I'd re-up for another contract.
But E* doesn't have Tivo either.
Waiting until fall is a good plan since that is when we'll see all the new HD go up on D*, hopefully E*will announce something by then as to what they want to do to complete and you can make a good comparison.
But E*'s DVR gets better reviews than either the HR20 or the Tivo. Plus, with E* I'll get the DVR for free. I will wait for fall, to see how the HD programming is shaping up.
When it comes to receivers like this, I would never go by reviews on the net like CNet. Hop over the Dish forums here or at Satguys to get a true picture of the E* DVRs. I'm not saying they are bad or good, but trying to help you get properly informed.
Historically E*'s DVRs have been panned as the worst in the industry although I think they have gotten a lot better in the past year or so. Just FYI. I have no personal experience with one however other then a friend that has one. He likes it, but I always thought my DirecTivo was better.
You may love DirecTV but the fact is many people are angry at DirecTV because they released their DVR too soon with bugs and abandoned the Tivo which I have never heard anyone complain about. When a company makes people angry many if not most of them do not like to continue to give that company money! Why is that so hard for any of you diehard DirecTV fans to understand? Plus DirecTV has now made it even easier to switch because their DVR is no different than the competitions. Sure it may have a cleaner UI but compared to what I've seen from cable or Dish it's just a basic DVR.
Also you may say it’s just about the programming. Yes and no. Cable and Dish will catch up to DirecTV when their 100’s of HD channels come online. So that’s no big deal. Plus think about this. Driving a Car is just about getting from point A to point B but we don’t all drive the same car do we. People like choice and when they pay a premium ($300 to lease a HR20) they expect a premium product not the same basic DVR like every other company has.
What's it missing that Tivo has? Wish Lists (partially), Suggestions, and DLB. DLB is probably the biggest thing on that list, and even then it was only used by a relatively small number of people. Wish Lists is duplicated pretty well on the HR20, and most people just found Suggestions to be annoying.
I wouldn't call the HR20 "the same basic DVR every other company has." If you have ever used a cable company DVR, you'd realize that the HR20 is far superior. It may not have many more features (although most cable DVRs can't do music and photos) but it certainly works a whole lot better.
I have a Motorola phone company DVR I’ve been trying out and besides the cleaned up UI and bigger hard drive it's the same. Same grid guide, same dual tuners without a double buffer, and same way to record one show (press record once), or series (press record twice). When the guy started showing me how to use it I told him not to waste his time because it was the same as the basic HR20, except two things it has VOD, and more HD channels. This box is from Cincinnati Bell, My mom and Sister has the Scientific American box from Time Warner Cable. Guess what, same DVR. Care to guess what's not the same? My Tivo, it was upgraded by me with 2 400GB hard drives because it's mine and I can do what I want to do with it. And it has a better guide that I like because it shows allot more of what I may want to record on the channels I watch most, not the 2 hour grid that all the other DVR's I've described have. It has a duel live buffer that allows me to watch 2 shows at the same time, and it records programs that I might not think to record. I like Tivo. You don't. My point is a lot of DirecTV customers feel like me and want DirecTV to bring it back. If DirecTV had half a brain they would. But instead they’ve got this website trying to convince people having problems with the HR20 it is, or a more appropriately will be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Guess what I’m not convinced. And from what I’m reading just on this post, besides a few posters like you, a great number of DirecTV customers are not convinced. DirecTV needs to stop hoping that their promise of 100’s of new HD channels will blind people from the problems they are having with the HR20, and the fact it's not a TIVO.
Excuse me? Hostility much?
The guy seemed to suggest leaving because DirecTV no longer had Tivo. Was simply stating the E* doesn't have Tivo either and once fall rolls around he (and we) will see if DirecTV delivers on the new HD and be able to compare at that time HD vs. HD from both.
If you're suggesting leaving D* simply out of spite...well....that's pretty funny.
Spite works for me, not sure why it's funny to you. Maybe you should get a dictionary because I'm sure it will not be funny to DirecTV when they lose customers to it. Not a day goes by that something is not done to spite something. We do it all the time. You just did it replying to my post. I don't what to speak for man_rob but my guess is he's thinking about switching to Dish to spite DirecTV because they are not updating the tivo. I'm sure he knew that Dish Network does not have tivo so you cluing him in on that fact was really no help was it. Sounds like your post to him might have had a little spite in it also.
I'm sorry if I'm being rude here but you and a couple other posters on this forum do not seem to get it. People are mad that DirecTV is no longer carrying the Tivo receiver because we like them. I will go even further and say we love them. You guys keep on telling us that the features that the Tivo have are irrelevant and no one uses them. They are not. I use them all the time. So if I can't have tivo and have to use a DVR that is the same as everyone else’s I will switch to another company for spite and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I'm doing it right now. Read my other post and you will see what I'm talking about. DirecTV is getting about $60.00 less a month from me because of it.