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ATTN DIRT: Still no Antenna TV guide data

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Michael P, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    What you are describing here might be a valid issue... I could see where it might be a problem... but it's not the issue that most are talking about with lack of EPG data (because Dish hasn't uplinked it).

    I have a variant of the problem you speak of where Dish uplinked a sub-channel of a local PBS station BUT for some reason linked the EPG data to two different PBS sub-channels (4.2 and 4.3)... They have correct EPG data in their uplink stream for channel 4.2 but insist on linking the identical 4.3 data also to 4.2...

    That could be a glitch, but if so it is one they need to address because giving wrong EPG is actually worse than giving no EPG data in my opinion.

    Compound that with Dish trying to do away with DishPass timers and manual timers on the 922 receiver... and you have a scenario where you can't schedule anything on these OTA channels without proper EPG data even if you know what time a program comes on.

    Dish has themselves made the need for accurate EPG data for sub-channels even more important.
     
  2. Michael P

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    I receive 2 OTA signals of the same PBS station (Virtual channels 45 & 49). 45.1 & 45.2 have the same listed programs (which is incorrect) while 49.2 has different guide data (different, but not always correct). These 2 stations are 100% the same all the time, they serve 2 DMA's (ironically the station serving the Youngstown DMA COL is located in the Cleveland DMA). Out of 4 subchannels (including the .1 main channel) only 2 have guide data of any kind. Another PBS, COL Cleveland, has all video channels guide data listed, with only the audio only channel "digital service". In fact 25.2, "The Ohio Channel" only appears on my 622. My CECB's have no guide data for 25.2 (which means there is no PSIP data for 25.2 broadcast).
     
  3. Michael P

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    I posted here, I posted in the Stewart's OTA report, I wrote a message on WJW's contact page, still nothing.

    Is there anybody in the DIRT team willing to take up this issue? It is possible got get subchannel guide data. I got MeTV data since the first day it was on the air locally. Why not Antenna TV? People in other markets confirmed that they get guide data for Antenna TV. Why not in Cleveland?
     
  4. mnassour

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    Can I please have some clarification on the problem here, as it may be a dealbreaker in possibly switching to Dish from DirecTV.

    Right now, I have a DirecTV box that receives subchannels off the air. I get program information for these channels, I assume, from DirecTV.

    Is it correct that with Dish, the program data for local subchannels is NOT transmitted along with the national and local data? In other words, if I get a 722K with a tuner cartridge, we're saying that I will NOT get guide for local subchannels?

    thanks! Mike Nassour
     
  5. Michael P

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    YMMV The subchannel guide data is hit or miss. People in other markets report getting the Antenna TV guide data but not data for "THIS". In my market (Cleveland OH) the opposite is true, I get THIS guide data but not Antenna TV. It may have something to do with the local channel's ownership group, as the stations carrying subchannels that get listed are all owned or operated by Raycom, while my Antenna TV stations is owned by Local TV LLC. The Raycom stations have made changes to their subchannels and the Dish DVR caught those changes right away. I also get correct data from a Ganett owned station.

    Before you make up your mind to switch and subchannel guide data is important to you you need to ask a Dish sub in your local DMA to find out what they do or do not get in the EPG.
     
  6. Michael P

    Michael P Hall Of Fame

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    From James Long's list:
    Perhaps I need to ask for Antenna TV by requesting "WJW2"
    I also need "WEWS2" since they recently added Living Well TV.
     
  7. harsh

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    As a data point in another market (Portland, OR), our Antenna TV guide data is present.

    They key would be to ask around and see what local DISH subscribers are getting.
     
  8. mnassour

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    OK, all great info. So I'm assuming that even though I now get complete guide data with Directv, that may not be the case w/Dish?
     
  9. Michael P

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    James Long posted a list of local channels including OTA guide data (that is where I got the Cleveland OTA list I posted above) http://uplink.jameslong.name/locallist.html.
    Look up your DMA, below the satellite delivered channels is the OTA program guide data. Look it over and see if they are missing anything you want. Note you will not see the network name, but will see the subchannel (i.e. "43.02").

    I hope all your subchannels are in the list.

    BTW: I can vouch that James' list was very accurate for my DMA. That is why I'm recommending it to you.
     
  10. levibluewa

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    ...you won't be getting complete guide data from Directv either...they've stop adding to their data base.
     
  11. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Chances are if you get guide data with DIRECTV, you'll get it from DISH Network as well. The reverse is not true.

    Understand that DIRECTV customers are whining currently about missing channels and they do it no so much because they care about the guide information but because that without knowing about the channel from the guide data, DIRECTV equipment won't tune the channel. Guide data is secondary to being able to tune the channel at all.
     

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