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BARRY BONDS: Ties Hank Aaron Record 755!!

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Smthkd, Aug 4, 2007.

  1. DawgLink

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

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    Speaking of players who somehow went from no-HR's to a ridiculous amount in one year....cough cough BRADY ANDERSON cough cough

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/anderbr01.shtml

    Guy who has never hit more then 21 HR's hits 50 in one year? Um....:lol:
     
  2. premio

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    If I took as much steroids as bonds, I may be able to hit 1 homerun in softball.
     
  3. Smthkd

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    I play softball all the time and have never taken steriods and I averaged 30HR for the last 5 years!
     
  4. SamC

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    If you assume that steriods and HGH are removed from the sport, there is no logical answer to believe that the so-called records supposedly set by Bonds will ever be broken. No honest man can approach him.
     
  5. Sharkie_Fan

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    While his 73 hit in a season might not be passed, I don't for a second think that his HR total is going to last all that long...

    Players, even without steroids, are as big as they've ever been, and most new parks are being built smaller with a more "intimate" feel... The size of the league has left a depleted talent pool, which shows itself especially in the pitching - a pitcher with a 4.50 ERA is considered a quality pitcher... for pete's sake, I can remember when that number was 3.50, and I'm not that old!!

    And, finally, the #1 reason I think that Bonds career HR total will be surpassed - players in every sport are playing longer than ever! Hank Aaron was a freak, playing at a high level until he was 42! He hit 47, 34, and 40 home runs at the ages of 37, 38, and 39.... Now you've got Bonds, Clemens, Jerry Rice in football, Chris Chelios in hockey... across the board in all sports, players have personal trainers, and offseason regimens, and it's not unusual to see them playing until 42 or 43 years old.

    If A-Rod carries on at a semblance of the pace he's set for the first part of his career... If he played till 41 and averaged 30 home runs over the last 10 years of his career... that's 800 home runs...

    Even if Barry squeezes another 2 years out of his career, I'm not sure he'll get to 800... He's at the point of his career that if you get 25 HR and 80 RBI, you've caught lightning in a bottle! I'm not sure if he could do that twice more... I think if he played 2 more years you're more likely to see numbers similar to Aarons at the end of his career (20 home runs, followed by 10 home runs, the 2 years prior to his retirement)...

    Anyway... somebody will beat his record, I think...
     
  6. Steve Mehs

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    Yep, A-Rod will have the record eventually. Hank Aaron's record stood some 30 years, Bonds* record will last nowhere near that long. At that point the blemish on baseball will be removed.
     
  7. purtman

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    The arguments that many people have used is the "look at his size", "his shoe size grew", "his hat size grew", etc. By the way, when did Bonds admit to using illegal substances? And when I gained the additional size, I was in my 30s ....
     
  8. purtman

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    I am going to assume that you are a Hank Aaron fan, just because of the Georgia icon. If not, I stand corrected. The reason I made the comments about the growth is because of the following.
    The arguments that many people have used is the "look at his size", "his shoe size grew", "his hat size grew", etc. By the way, when did Bonds admit to using illegal substances? And when I gained the additional size, I was in my 30s ....

    Also, if you look at the 50s, 60s, and 70s, many of them were using greenies, which are now banned by MLB. When Mark McGwire used Andro, it was not banned. It is now. So if we put asterisks next to one, where do we decide to make the break?
     
  9. DawgLink

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

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    I just went to UGA. Grew up in New Orleans...don't really care for Hank to be honest.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/01/11/bonds.amphetamines/1.html

    And let's not forget Bonds also has blamed teammates for his "failing" of a amphetamines test :rolleyes:

    No, you just don't include them in the record books.
     
  10. Sharkie_Fan

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    The problem with that, though, as purtman pointed out, is where do you stop? Do you wipe McGwire from the history of the game? The substance he's admitted to using was NOT illegal at the time of his use... other than that, only speculation exists. Do you take the records out from earlier eras where amphetamines were the boost of choice?

    I think you just have to put the records in the books, and everyone for all of history knows that Barry's record is overshadowed by the steroid era... Eventually, his record will fall and we can ignore what's transpired over the last 20 years or so... At least until history repeats itself. ;)
     
  11. DawgLink

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    Wherever the Commish wants to stop.
     
  12. damjr

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    What people and fans of the game are overlooking is that these guys are "ENTERTAINERS". Whether it's baseball, football, etc.......... the players salaries are being made by the fans and they are paid to "ENTERTAIN" us.
    My opinion is if these guys want to ruin their bodies, and it is THEIR bodies, by taking some form of performance enhancing substance to make the game more entertaining and prolong their careers a bit longer, then let em. Remember the ole' saying............chicks love the long ball?

    Nobody throws a fit when their favorite music group takes the stage on some type of illegal substance to help them get through the night, or do you see any type of federal indictments being handed down. Lets also not forget about those mongoloids in the WWF.Performance enhancing is performance enhancing no matter what professional entertainment field you're in.

    If roids make the game more entertaining then so be it. At least I can get some satisfaction out of paying the ridiculous prices for NFL ST or any tickets to any professional sporting event.
     
  13. Sharkie_Fan

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    damjr... I'm on the fence on that argument, personally... Yes, they are entertainers... but part of the entertainment factor is the competition.... and if one player has an "unfair" advantage, then it takes away from the entertainment...

    It's like when we were kids playing whatever with our buddies... when the one kid wanted to win so bad that he'd cheat, it kind of ruins the fun for everyone...

    I think that if it's legal (as in real laws), I don't have a problem with an athlete taking a substance... IF it's an illegal substance, then fine, police that (or better yet, let the police police that...)
     
  14. DawgLink

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

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    They are paid to put up stats and thus get W's
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    Too many problems here really to give a clean answer.

    Steroids are illegal, and have been for quite some time... but until recently, Baseball didn't have a policy in place nor testing for the athletes.. so while illegal, it wasn't technically against the non-existant rules. Also, because of no testing, we really have no idea just how widespread use was.

    If, for instance, every pitcher Bonds faced was also on steroids... does that cancel things out? Or does it just make things worse?

    I'm not supporting steroids. Just saying that apparently the problem and use was so bad, that there will probably never be a way to differentiate everything. It's nice and easy if Bonds failed or fails a drug test... but if he doesn't, then it is kind of hard for them to do anything about it.

    Blame the team owners, managers, trainers, and MLB as an entity for not noticing or noticing but looking the other way all that time. That's how it got so out of hand.
     
  16. Nick

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    I have been using a variety of drugs since 2005. Does that mean my almost
    15,000 posts will have an asterisk, or worse, be erased from the record book?
     
  17. Tom Robertson

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    No, but I think Earl has completely obliterated your outstanding records. Fortunately, your work survives to teach, entertain, and assist us all.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  18. purtman

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    So no asterisk, eh? That's what he has determined at this time.
     
  19. DawgLink

    DawgLink Woof Woof Woof

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    Guess not. I would have no problem if Bonds has no * by his name. I would PREFER him to be taken completely out of the books BUT if he is kept, life will move on
     
  20. DCSholtis

    DCSholtis Up The Irons!

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    Congrats to the cheating *******.
     

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