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Battlestar Galactica: Razor - 11/21/2007 - Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Drew2k, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Were Cain's actions "legal" in the sense that she was allowed to do it? Sure, under most generic military justice-type schemes during a time of war. But justified? No way. She was justified in relieving him of command and sending him to the brig. But not shooting the man who was trying to remind her that she was doing EXACTLY what she said she wouldn't do, and in pointing out that the risks drastically outweighed any reasonably likely reward. And in retrospect, he ended up being completely right.

    I watched the whole thing again last night. It was interesting to see how friendly and familiar Cain and the XO (Belzen) were during the scenes at the shipyard. He was calling her by her first name, inviting her to spend the down-time with him and his family; the shared looks and little jokes after Cain had just planted the fear of God (or rather, "fear of the Gods" ;) ) into Kendra Shaw right after she reported to CIC the first time, etc. And then the marked contrast when he was trying to get her to see reason during battle, when it was clear her plan was completely out of touch with reality . . . that was dramatic.
     
  2. BubblePuppy

    BubblePuppy Good night dear Smoke... love you & "got your butt

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    Crud...I forgot this was on. :( I was over my brothers watching the Mizzou/Kansas game. I just went to the Scifi web site but it's not listed anymore. Any chance BSR will be shown again?
     
  3. ApK

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    Just watch the DVD after Dec 4th...you'll probably be better off.

    Of course, if you have read this thread, you pretty much know everything that happens....If I hadn't seen it, I wouldn't come anywhere NEAR a thread about it!
     
  4. gcisko

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    The advertizements during the broadcast say March. Do you have other inside info?
     
  5. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

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    There were 3 inside the raider they showed. The one in the back was gold though.
     
  6. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

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    I started hearing the starwars empire theme music in my head when that happened :D
     
  7. ApK

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    I started thinking "Apocalypse Now" or "The Deer Hunter."

    I'm enjoying BSG, but it is still a little too dark and realistic-military-like for my taste. I like sci-fi in my sci-fi. I want laser blasts.

    BTW...I'm sure he saw the gold cylon...I think he was just reminded how silly that was for a robot fighter craft.
     
  8. Drew2k

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    I'll have to watch that scene again to figure out who they were talking about: Caine or Shaw. I really thought it was Caine, but based on your comments about the focus of Razor looking at Shaw as she developed under Caine, you may be right. I won't say for certain, though, until after I watch it again! :)
     
  9. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    I watched it again last night, Drew. It was Shaw. Adama (Bill) thought Lee should give a posthumous commendation to Shaw for her actions in staying behind to destroy the baseship so the others could escape.

    One other interesting facet I noted last night: the male hybrid specifically tells Kendra to come closer so he could giver her his warning about Kara. But just as Kendra is about to pass along that warning to Pegasus, the Cylon jamming starts up again. I wonder if that was just random interference from the Raiders and miscellaneous electronic-warfare gear on the baseship, or if the Hybrid wanted to tell Kendra and ONLY Kendra about Kara?
     
  10. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    It would be like a Cylon to plant that sort of doubt just to mess with her.
     
  11. Indiana627

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    I wish they had showed the original basestar.
     
  12. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Yes that would have been cool but possibly too much modeling for such a small shot. And as far as the guns, I'm not sure how it would have made sense that Husker would have a laser-type weapon where all the "present day" weapons use projectiles.
     
  13. ApK

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    The old gun props just looked like real pistols with fancy extras welded on, like the props from Starwars. They could have used the same props and just showed them shoot projectiles.

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    Or...they could have had them shoot lasers and come up with some story about how they proved ineffective or impractical after the first Cylon war, and that's why the military stopped using them....hey...maybe I'll write some fan fiction... :sure:

    ApK
     
  14. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Didn't you watch the Razor Flashbacks on the SciFi.com/battlestar site? :p

    Don't worry though, those scenes of young Billy "Husker" Adama's first (and only) combat Viper mission at the tail-end of the First Cylon War 40-odd years ago will be included on the DVD. :D

    Operation Raptor Talon:

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  15. Indiana627

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    No, what did I miss?
     
  16. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Eh, frak! The Galactica Wiki killed my link. :p

    Here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Operation_Raptor_Talon

    There's a screen-cap of the battle there - it shows original basestars. The Flashbacks themselves give more background to the first War, Adama's fireball combat style (a lot like Starbuck's in fact, which may explain why he likes her so much), his free-fall duel with an old-model Centurion, and his discovery of the lab on the planet where that Guardian Basestar was created, along with its first Hybrid. WAY cool stuff - fangasm material for sure! :up:
     
  17. GFloyd

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    For those (like me) that fraked up and missed this, Netflix has the DVD set for release on 12/4. I'm sure Blockbuster will do the same. Hopefully, the DVD will be sans anoying graphics about a Quiznos sub.
     
  18. romwarrior88

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    So SciFi will not be airing any repeats for the lame-o's like me who missed it??? I can do the DVD but I'd much rather have HD.
     
  19. Kurgan

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    You're right. I think the only thing that came through the transmission was "Lee, I have to warn you about Kara" or something to that effect.
     
  20. petergaryr

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    I think the full quote was, "Lee, I have to warn you about Kara...she DID make it to Earth and got involved in a very bad remake of Bionic Woman. By the gods, somebody save her." I may be wrong about that, though.


    Somewhere in the actual quote was something along the lines of "harbinger of the apocalypse".
     

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