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BBC World Channel Coming soon?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by UKintheUS, Dec 23, 2005.

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  1. Dec 26, 2005 #61 of 137
    greatwhitenorth

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    Left the UK at the tender age of 9 months, I don't think my political philosophy was fully formed yet:lol:
     
  2. Dec 26, 2005 #62 of 137
    delphi96

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    If you consider promoting objectivity, fairness, and a system that prevents foreign government or foreign institutional influence propanganda then that's fine with me.

    Existing laws, and essentially the sipirit of those laws, are also in opposition to what you think the government should and shouldn't do. Those are laws, and thinking, that are universally applied throughout the world whether you find them offensive or not.

    I don't think I have to argue for objectivity, non-biased, and non-anti-American reporting.

    I also believe in "individual rights and responsibilities" but shouldn't that also apply to those that want to do business in our country? Because individuals and organizations often have a problem with handling "rights and responsibilites" the government and the law must step into enforce what is right and responsible.
     
  3. Dec 26, 2005 #63 of 137
    delphi96

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    Hence the "if" part of my saying "if you grow up in another country." ;)
     
  4. Dec 26, 2005 #64 of 137
    greatwhitenorth

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    Exactly, any control over the flow of information is in fact propaganda, and I have always believed that propaganda is a bad thing. As far as existing laws go, yes, you're right, I have a problem with many of them. I have always felt that the only proper role of government was to safeguard my rights. not to take them away to make their job easier. I understand there aren't many people out there who think like I do, there are far more people out there who want the government to tell them what to do. The Bill of Rights, the first thing added to the Constitution, was about the rights that all Americans enjoy.

    Yes, I think you do have to argue for what you call "non-biased" reporting. We all have biases, whether we realize it or not. My statement above that declares I wouldn't live anywhere else, for example. I've never lived abroad (except my first 9 months), so how can I make this statement? Because of my biases. Some of the other posters here will tell you, I'm sure, that the UK is a great place to live, because of their biases. As far as what constitutes "objective", I never want our government to try to make that judgement. As far as "Anti-American", criticisizing the government is a tradition going all the way back to 1776, I'm sure. Our country has been able to withstand that, I don't think a cable channel is going to threaten the underpinnings of democracy.

    Oh, oh, "You can't handle your freedoms so we'll take them away". Again, who judges, who decides? Your postings seem to favor a concentration of power by the government that we have only seen in tyrannies. You are beginning to scare me....
     
  5. Dec 26, 2005 #65 of 137
    greatwhitenorth

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    BTW, Fox is controlled by Rupert Murdoch, a foreigner. His programming is widely believed to be biased. Shut him down too?
     
  6. Dec 26, 2005 #66 of 137
    delphi96

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    Not calling you in particular but your last statement, and much of your post, is quite paranoid. You are taking what I have said and looking for the worse possible interpretations and conclusions well beyond what I clearly stated.

    I've essentially answered everything you brought up in my prior posts if you read it for what it is and not what you want to think it is, or means.
     
  7. Dec 26, 2005 #67 of 137
    juan ellitinez

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    Well if we need a news station with a worldview there is none better than the BBC .

    Yes they are anti American (but most of the world is anti-american,,have been for decades) It would behoove most Americans to educate themselves about world affairs then perhaps we wouldn't be blindsided by the next terrorist attack!! Yes I love Fox News but we Americans need to stop convinceing ourselves that everything the USA does is moral and right!! There are 2 sides to every story and the truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle
     
  8. Dec 26, 2005 #68 of 137
    delphi96

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    He has also been an American citizen for over twenty years and he certainly doesn't have an anti-American agenda.
     
  9. Dec 26, 2005 #69 of 137
    juan ellitinez

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    Actually thats poppycock!!! there is no such thing a censorship for the good!! The USA has been broadcasting American News(aka propaganda) into foreign nations for decades its about time we received some of our own medicine!!To see what really is happening in the world !!!:mad: :mad:
     
  10. Dec 26, 2005 #70 of 137
    delphi96

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    We were "blinsided" because of a weakened and ineffective intelligence community.

    This discussion has nothing to do with Americans convincing themselves that "everything the USA does is moral and right."
     
  11. Dec 26, 2005 #71 of 137
    delphi96

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    Of course there is. Things are censored all around us if you think about it carefully enough.

    We have been broadcasting pro democracy and pro freedom news into foreign nations for good reason. Surely you can appreciate living in a free and democratic nation.
     
  12. Dec 26, 2005 #72 of 137
    Geronimo

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    The constitution does not really address news services. Kind of a strange argument anyway. The BBC is not in anyway prohibited from operating here freedom of the press is not restricted to freedom for American sources.. Some simply mentioned that they would like to see it added.
     
  13. Dec 26, 2005 #73 of 137
    greatwhitenorth

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    The quick answer to this is that I grew up in the '70's, when paranoia was considered "good thinking":lol: But seriously, my views have been shaped by reading history, where we see that government taking away freedoms "for the common good" often leads to tyranny. You still have not addressed the issue of whether Americans are so feeble minded that we need our information inputs controlled.

    Yes, you've clearly stated that you're in favor of censorship "for the good". Again, who decides? Bill Clinton? George Bush (either one)? Jimmy Carter? Have to to agree with Juan here (shudder :D ) there is no such thing has censorship for the good. Someone has to decide, and that concentrates a lot of power in the hands of a group or individual. As an American, I am not willing to give up my right to see what I want to see.

    BTW, re: Murdoch, wasn't Fox News a strong critic of the Clinton Administration? Doesn't that qualify as Anti-American?
     
  14. Dec 26, 2005 #74 of 137
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    Boxing Day

    The day after Christmas, the Feast of St. Stephen, the first Christian martyr, is better known as Boxing Day. The term may come from the opening of church poor boxes that day; maybe from the earthenware boxes with which boy apprentices collected money at the doors of their masters' clients.

    Nowadays, we often see, in certain families, gifts (boxes) given to those who provide services throughout the year.
     
  15. Dec 26, 2005 #75 of 137
    juan ellitinez

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    Just out of curiosity Whats your view on political correctness and how it affects the english language
     
  16. Dec 26, 2005 #76 of 137
    Wolffpack

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    Geez folks....how do you spell TROLL? I spell it "delpdi96". DUH!!!
     
  17. Dec 26, 2005 #77 of 137
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    I never did imply that. On the contrary -- as I said elsewhere on the thread, I'm as conservative if not moreso than other folk 'round here (and have appeared on both MSNBC and Fox News Channel as a conservative pundit on multiple interview shows).

    But I have a strong predeliction for freedom of speech.

    You keep saying that the BBC has an anti-American bias. Other than several British commentators, I have yet to see any sort of "bias" as a standard or stated policy from the BBC. Now if you can show me that this bias is more than your perception, then perhaps I might understand your feelings.

    However, even then, I cannot condone denying access to their programming.
     
  18. Dec 26, 2005 #78 of 137
    mhking

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    On the contrary, FCC rules prohibit foreign ownership of domestic media companies that reach a certain percentage of the broadcast public. This restriction does not extend to cable or satellite.

    And the sort of myopic shortsightedness that you propose certainly does ignore the opportunity to see news that we ordinarily do not get the opportunity to see.

    I'm looking forward to seeing BBC World, and I'm hoping that Sky News can also find coverage in the US.
     
  19. Dec 26, 2005 #79 of 137
    mhking

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    Exactly!!:goodjob:
     
  20. Dec 26, 2005 #80 of 137
    delphi96

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    You already have, as have most people in most democracies. You just think you can see whatever you want.

    How does being anti-Clinton equal being anti-American?
     
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