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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by John Corn, Jul 26, 2003.
Took me a milli-second or two to realize the thread is over 8 years old! :scratch:
Letterman is the best the whole show is always entertaining .Have it set DVR to record all new shows and also the same for Craig Ferguson which, makes the best 2hour block of viewing on a regular basis.Always liked Letterman he can be hip or silly and carry it off.Craig Ferguson show is a change of pace that fits perfect at his time slot and is anything goes mindset makes it a must watch.
The ratings say Leno is a strong #1 and Conan is all the way at the end of the list. EVERYBODY gets higher ratings then him. /thread.
Another resurrected thread :shrug: But to answer John Corn's question it's "The Tonight Show" starring Johnny Carson.
It's a little unfair to compare a cable show to a network show when discussing ratings.
Why? The question was what's the best late night show, not channel.
I meant to add "when discussing ratings."
Took me a lot longer than that -- not 'til you pointed it out.
Only one I watch is Craig Ferguson. I've always found him engaging, although when watched on a regular basis he does run things into the ground.
It's shocking how far Letterman has fallen. Time has not been good to him. He's become an angry, unfunny, and worst of all partisan jerk.
The other mainstream late-night hosts are fairly even-handed with their political jokes, but Letterman targets only one side. I'm not suggesting that he stop targeting that side, but you have to have some sort of balance or you just come off as bitter and angry.
+1 Pure GOLD
A lot has happened in the late night world since this thread, Leno's failure, Conan's failure, Leno's return, etc. But the most significant is the decline of Letterman.
I kind of knew he would not age as well as Carson, or even Leno. His humor is too broad and generation specific. But his decline into a bitter political pot-shot taker is truly sad.
Bitter? You righties need to come up with some original thoughts. Partisan, I can agree with. Sounds like the true "bitterness" is the people who are bitter that Letterman is partisan. Get over it.
Wow...and I thought I was the only one who noticed Letterman's not-so-subtle lefty-loser biases. IMO, he is not funny at all, and his constant references to his band leader are just annoying. The only time I might watch Letterman, against my better judgement, is to catch a segment when Mila Kunis is on.
More of Mila Kunis
Although I don't stay up as late as I used to, my votes go to the true late nite funny men, the two Jimmys, Fallon and Kimmel. AFAIC, the two L's are passé.
Dave peaked about 20 years ago, now a sad reminder of what could have been.
Jay is No.1, great writers, great original segments as well as tried n true "Jay Walking". Ferguson is good, but I tape only one night talk show, and it's tonight.
I forgot Kilborn even had a show, and Conan is almost well forgotten in my household. Carson and Paar were pioneers with extraordinary talents for the medium in their times.
If one looks very close, you can read "Inflate to 28 lbs psi" on the inside of those lips.
I agree completely. I'm not a right-winger by any stretch of the means, but his ultra-leftist views permeate his jokes.
One need not be a "righty" to notice what's obvious, Rob. Letterman is the single worst leftist of all the late night hosts.
No, you're not alone, and neither am I. I noticed this a few years ago. It's amazing how rarely he even dares to criticize Obama or make jokes about the president.
Before we get too far off topic in name-calling and politcs itself, IMHO the difference in political jokes of the late nighters:
Carson, who of course was the gold standard of all such, was an average guy. Born as an average joe, and he skewered all sides with actual humor, not going for the cheep sterotype based joke. And he got jokes he told.
Leno, IMHO is just a low IQer and a person who does not follow politics in his personal life much. Nothing wrong with either of those, in an of itself, but when one comments, even for humorous purposes, on complex subjects one better at least be a creditable person. As I said years ago, he just reads the cuecards, obviously does not ofter really get the jokes. Leno could work a convention of cardiac surgeons and read the cuecards with jokes about pacemakers and aoertas with the same inflection.
Conan, born rich, and Kimmel and Fallon, whose parents worked their way into comfortable upper middle class lives (both were IBM execs), and all from the least politically diverse part of the country (the northeast) have to be more careful in politics. It just rings hollow, particularly when you ply the sterotypical and contradictory "Republicans are rich" and "Republicans are rednecked hilljacks" lines. Ferguson, as a foreigner, has to be even more careful, and he is.
But all pales in contrast to Letterman. One of the good things about Letterman at his peak was he had an act that complemented Carson's by avoiding politics alltogether. In his old age he has either become bitter or has just started phoning it in with one-sided cheep jokes that Carson never would have told. Not only because Carson would have kept it more fair and ballanced, but because its the same joke and the same two mutually exclusive sterotypes every night. Carson would have said something funny.
To say this thread has been "resurrected" has, in view of more recent posts, become somewhat of an understatement. It is definitely "new" and "improved" over its humble origins of some eight years ogo, and I think it's safe to say that OP John Korn would agree! :sure:
Actually, late night ratings are a bit messy. According to TVbytheNumbers the demo looks like this for the year so far:
But if you look at the article you find that nothing about the numbers underlying the chart is even as clear as the chart.
So we have a headline from The Hollywood Reporter's LiveFeed column telling us
But when you read the whole thing you get statement like "ABC News' late-night program Nightline is outdrawing Late Show and Tonight Show in total viewers."
The thing about late night talk shows is that many viewers seem to just like one host's ...looks, personality, political views, jokes, guests, whatever... over all the others - what you like is just a matter of your own taste.
Comparing anything now to the Carson era is like comparing apples and liverwurst. When Carson started, times were different and most of us only had access to three broadcast networks. And Carson was one of those people who influenced cultural changes in the country during his run. Consider this May 17, 1992 article in the LA Times and note that as the rating numbers get closer to the 1990's they drop partly because there were more channels to watch:
Then there are people like my wife and I who in the 21st Century can now record everything and watch whichever show to see a specific guest or feature skipping the monologue altogether.
Please address the topic without turning this into something personal against other posters. Thanks.