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Best setup for a HR24 and a 2TB External??

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by lorick, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. PokerJoker

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    Oh, I know. I have more than one HR, and I also have a Tivo S3 backing up all the network recordings using an OTA antenna, AND I now have the RAID box. :)

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  2. hasan

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    With about 50 hours recorded, I see 10% usage. 50/0.10 = 500. I've done the calculation 3 times, using different source material, but all HD, all mpeg-4, and I consistently get around 500 hours.

    The more hours you have recorded, the more accurate the calculation is. The basic formula is:

    (Hours Recorded/(100-Space Free%) You must convert percent to decimal)

    Example:

    Add up all the recordings in your play list: 50 hours.

    Look at your Space Free: 90%.

    50/(100-90 percent)

    50 hours/10 percent

    Convert the 10% to decimal: 10% = 0.10

    (50 hours)/(0.10) = 500 hours.

    This approach reflects your recording habits. If it is a mixture of HD and SD, then you can expect the number of hours to be accurate as long as you don't change the ratio of HD to SD in your mixture.

    Since I don't record anything that isn't HD, I don't have to worry about it. I also don't record anything that isn't MPEG-4 HD (some channels are MPEG-2, but not many) In general , the basic formula will work well enough and provide you with a "rule of thumb" way to evaluate any drive in a machine, or external.
     
  3. Mark L

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    Am I understanding your post correctly in that you were able to transfer recordings from one hard drive to the new one?

    That's what I interpreted from your post.

    I'm curious, because I came across this link the other day and it clearly states at the bottom:

    "DIRECTV HD DVR Copy Service
    We copy your settings and programming to the new drive - you lose nothing! Your capacity will simply increase!
    You will receive an email with shipping instructions after your upgrade order is finalized. $59"


    Does this mean they are able to extract the current recordings on your old HD DVR and transfer them to the new hard drive for your new HD DVR?


    The reason I ask is because I just received a new HR24-500 and I have to send back my HR21-100 (thank god! :lol:) and I have a number of saved movies in HD on the hard drive. I'd love to transfer these to my new hard drive, or perhaps an external hard drive. Some of the movies rarely, if ever, come on in HD
     
  4. yobear

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    Great! Thanks...Appreciate the explanation too.
     
  5. SubSolar

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    Is the HR24 slow once you fill up all 2 terabytes? I have had an HR20 setup with 1 terabyte for almost 4 years now and has been working great. But I am wanting more space now and wondering if it's worth it to upgrade to HR24 + 2 terabyte drive.
     
  6. Rich

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    Call them and ask them specifically what you want to know. I think you're talking about Weaknees and I think they only copy HDDs that have been recorded on ONE HR and are gonna be played on THAT HR. In other words, you'd still have to keep the 21, you'd just have a larger HDD in it. Please let us know what they say. They give good tech phone support.

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  7. Rich

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    I don't think anybody's posted about filling up a 2TB drive on a 24 yet. If you are planning on using an external, it might get bogged down as you approach the 30% Available mark. Just use the Menu Restart function and that should speed it back up. Internally, we don't know yet.

    Takes a long time to fill up a 2TB drive. I've done it intentionally and it's a time consuming task.

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  8. CCarncross

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    I've gotten my 2TB EVDS down to 13% free space, now its back to 20% free, and I've noticed my HR20-700 not acting very well lately, its been getting very sluggish, but I think there are other factors going on here. All my DVR's are starting to do this again...drives thrashing, have to wait for dvr to respond.
     
  9. Rich

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    They should get sluggish with that much content on them. I never tried an MX-1 in that regard, just out of the box eSATAs such as the FAP and Xtremes, and they all did the same thing no matter how big or small the drive was. I'm not seeing any of that on any of my eight 20-700s.

    By the way, I took an Xtreme apart the other day. Once you rip apart the cover (couldn't figure out any other way the get the cover off, it's glued together) you find a metal cage surrounding the HDD completely. Took that apart and put the HDD in an old MX-1 and it's working fine now. The Xtreme kept freezing up. I still don't know what caused that "whooshing" noise. No moving parts in the cage except the HDD itself and it's not whooshing in the MX-1.

    Rich
     
  10. BSAMAINE

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    I'm responding to my own post. Don't know where else to put it. I installed the hardware listed and it all works perfectly. Thanks for the info/help.
     
  11. Rich

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    That's great!!!

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  12. PennyPincherP

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    Anyone ever exceed this limit? I'm trying a 5 bay RAID 5 setup with 8TB net capacity. So far it works but I'm not sure if it's going to use all the available storage. I got the raid for media storage for my router but there's no utility provided to partition the storage into 2TB drives that Windows will recognize so I'm trying it on my DVR. Any feedback?
     
  13. CCarncross

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    HR DVRS's will only recognize up to 2TB.
     
  14. Rich

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    I had a 2TB RAID box that was set to give me the full 2TBs and when I filled it up, I got the impression that it would have gone farther. I'd be very interested to hear your experiences with your setup. Lots of things in my lifetime have been unreachable until someone did it and I've alway had an idea that the 2TB limit might be broken. Gonna be lots of people that will disagree with that, but I do believe you might make it further than 2TB. Good luck and please keep us notified of your findings.

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  15. PennyPincherP

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    So far I've recorded every HD movie (45) on 2 channels simultaneously, duplicates and all and I still show 89% free. I haven't calculated the precise play time but it looks to be roughly 700 hours capacity. How that translates to TB's I don't know. If I had a couple of spare DVR's (I should have HR24's in a few days), I could rig one with 2TB and the other with 4TB and do a comparison.
     
  16. Mike Bertelson

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    I also have a WD WD20EVDS and it has been flawless for the month it's been installed. However, that's internal on an HR21-100 but the drive should work just as well externally.

    I used to have an Antec MX-1 connected to the HR21. It ran great for two years. I highly recommend one of those enclosures. :)

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  17. Rich

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    Took me a long time to fill that 2TB to full. Can't even imagine how long it would take to fill up an 8TB setup. If you even can. You're looking at about 1600 to 2000 hours of programming depending on the content. Figure at least 400 hours for a 2TB HDD. And that will vary with the content. There is no set-in-stone figure for capacity. It all depends on the capacity. I think.

    By the way, try to avoid "Keeping" content, let it roll off when your setup reaches full capacity. When you see content getting deleted automatically, you'll know you've reached full capacity. If the HR starts to bog down, reset the HR and the external device. That should get you a bit further.

    Rich
     
  18. hasan

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    Using approximately 10% full for calculations, I'm seeing about 550 hours or HD MPEG-4 recording using the WD20EVDS with a Thermaltake Dock. It has worked perfectly for about six weeks to two months (I've already forgotten the date I put it on line).

    So far, I'm extremely happy with the combo. Despite all my efforts, I haven't been able to get it lower than 87% free with 45 hours of HD movies and six or so football games.:)

    The only down side, is because of the way D* chooses to do the UPL. When one combines everything that can go on a 2 TB drive with WHDVR, the playlist gets downright unmanageable. I end up only viewing ALL with one DVR, (the 2 TB), the others are set to local so the playlist isn't so long.

    This makes maintenance a lot easier. For that matter, when I do maintenance on the 2 TB machine, I set its playlist to Local, which makes hunting through it much faster (just in terms of viewing, not actual speed of the machine)
     
  19. Rich

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    That UPL is really a PITA, isn't it, Hasan? I gave up on it. Every once in a while I use it to delete series and that drives me nutz (not a long drive). The damn thing goes right back to the beginning every time I delete a series. They gotta fix this. By May of next year, my UPL will be completely unusable.

    Rich
     
  20. Mike Bertelson

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    I don't think you can really go by the 10% to calculate. When mine said 1% it calculated out to be something like 800hours. Now at 6% it's ≈625 hours. I think as it starts to fill the algorithm will get more accurate. It really should be somewhere around 475ish...I think. :grin:

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