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Brainstorm: How should new HD channel selection work?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Aug 15, 2007.

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  1. Aug 15, 2007 #21 of 112
    Stuart Sweet

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    I like that! I like that a lot!
     
  2. Aug 15, 2007 #22 of 112
    Michael D'Angelo

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    I like that. I was actually thinking kind of the same thing but the dash being after the number but I figured it would cause problems with the OTA channels so I did not post it.
     
  3. Aug 15, 2007 #23 of 112
    cygnusloop

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    No, it doesn't force you too use the HD feed, it can just be difficult, at times, to know which "channel 9" that you are selecting when using search. When the program description is shown, often the [HD] symbol can tip you off which one is the HD version, but in the case of a SD program that is airing, it can be hard to tell which channel is which.

    Recent s/w revision have improved this situation by adopting the convention that when search results are returned, the HD version will always be listed first, and that seems to be working pretty well now. Of course, a better solution would be to return call letters in addition to the channel number, as the call letters allow one to easily differentiate between the SD/HD version.

    It's just been these minor annoyances when this only applied to LiL's. I think this quirk will begin to be a much bigger headache as the new channels roll out, if D* intends to stick with the mirrored channel number scheme.
     
  4. Aug 15, 2007 #24 of 112
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    I would like to see the HD channels all in the same area like they are now. Once the new channels are added I probaly will not watch anything else.
     
  5. Aug 15, 2007 #25 of 112
    cygnusloop

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    Here's a question...

    Why does it seem to be that everyone thinks that D* is going to use the same mirrored channel number scheme that they use on the LiL's for the new channels? Is it simply because that's how they did it with the locals? Is there some other inside information that has been shared on this (or another) forum?

    I ask, because it's not how they handle the simulcasting HD channels that they carry now. For example, HBO-East has its own SD channel. (501, I think). It also has it's own HD channel in the 500's, in addition to its mapped channel in the 70's. Showtime is the same, TNT, ESPN, and ESPN2 also have their own discreet HD channel numbers.

    So, I ask: Why is it thought that the new channels will be duplicates, like the LiL's, instead of discreet channel numbers like the current HD offerings?
     
  6. Aug 15, 2007 #26 of 112
    Earl Bonovich

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    99.999999999999999999999999% chance that it is going to be handled the same way LIL are done right now....

    HD/SD will have the same channel number, with the HD channel takeing priority to the SD.... In your guide you will have the option to access the SD directly, or setup Series links specifically on the SD version.

    As for channels that currently have a "seperate" distinct number, they are going to change to follow the same model.
    Those channels that don't have a SD counterpart, will be assigned another number accordingly to where it belongs in the lineup.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2007 #27 of 112
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    Why cant they just mirror it like my RSN's I have two 622's an two 625's when I enter 622 it tune to the HD first. I just removed the SD's from my favorite list. who want to start remembering a new set of channels any way
     
  8. Aug 15, 2007 #28 of 112
    cygnusloop

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    I think that is exactly how it is going to work. The only problems I have with that convention is the aforementioned issues with ambiguity in search, and the fact that the HD channels will be spread out all over the guide.

    Maybe, with the high number of potential channel designators available, the HD channels could also be mapped to a section of the guide where they would all be grouped together. Just an idea. That is, IIRC, how the SD locals were set up. They have "real" channel numbers in the 800's, but are mapped to 4, 7, or whatever to match the actual broadcast channel. Both are available as channels that can be tuned.
     
  9. Aug 15, 2007 #29 of 112
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    Why do you need SD channels? How about your DVR is running low on space? So you decide to watch the news in SD as an example.

    When I'm running low on spce I do the Local news in SD if I have plenty of room I do it in HD.
     
  10. Aug 15, 2007 #30 of 112
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    I guess I hate SD so much once a station is in HD I never tune to SD one again. :) Maybe we need poll how many people still watch a SD channel once it is in HD :lol:
     
  11. Aug 15, 2007 #31 of 112
    Jeremy W

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    The reason that the current HD channels are on separate channel numbers is because the older MPEG2 HD receivers can't handle having two channels with the same number. Only the new MPEG4 receivers can handle this.

    As far as accessing the SD channels, you just enter the number, press enter, and press channel up. It's very simple, it eliminates confusion for less technical people, and it just makes sense. There is no need to complicate things with dashes and all kinds of other stuff. Just use the method that's already there.
     
  12. Aug 15, 2007 #32 of 112
    dmurphy

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    All the more reason the "Channels I Receive" problem needs to get fixed - it would solve the ambiguity as well. I could just shut off the SD channels in the CIR list and PFM - no more SD recordings.

    PFM: Pure Frickin' Magic.
     
  13. Aug 15, 2007 #33 of 112
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    I do that on my HR20 remote by just using the favorites option. For some strange reason the OTA channels look better to me than the ones from DTV, so I have it set up on favorites to only get those channels and not the DTV HD or SD local stations. Makes it a lot quicker when paging through the local channels.
     
  14. Aug 15, 2007 #34 of 112
    machavez00

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    what he said
     
  15. Aug 16, 2007 #35 of 112
    Doug Brott

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    Sorry Mike, but No, No, No (a thousand times over), No.

    What happens when you type in --202 because your finger slipped? Yup, total carnage.

    It's a great thought, but execution would make this feature very problematic.

    Personally, I like having the '-0' for all SD channels that have an HD counterpart and for those that don't, adding a '-0' just maps your to the regular number (which is still SD).
     
  16. Aug 16, 2007 #36 of 112
    Meklos

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    But unless they fix the software (or have fixed it with this release), you won't be able to setup SLs for both the OTA and the HD sat version of the same program.

    I've reported this multiple times, but it hasn't made it to anyone's bug list.
     
  17. Aug 16, 2007 #37 of 112
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    On local channels where an SD and HD are available, I just punch in the number, if I want the SD version, I channel down. I would prefer this for all of them, even the current TNT, etc.
     
  18. Aug 16, 2007 #38 of 112
    Stuart Sweet

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    Hadn't thought of that. The -0 is a good way of dealing with it as well.

    We're not talking about how the channel number is displayed in the guide. I also know you can set up a favorites list. What we're talking about is a workaround for the times you want to have both SD and HD readily available on the remote.
     
  19. Aug 16, 2007 #39 of 112
    Jeremy W

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    I think that pressing channel up is easy enough to be considered "readily available."

    Just noticed that you've been recruited as a mod. Congrats! And brott too!
     
  20. Aug 16, 2007 #40 of 112
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    Wow the shadow is gone and a "title" appears.
     
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