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But the message said "try putting your laptop near hot steam"

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by phrelin, Jun 9, 2011.

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  1. Jun 13, 2011 #81 of 113
    spartanstew

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    Then you'll need to keep a towel draped over your laptop at all times.

    Better check your builit-in microphone too. Someone might have hacked it and they're listening in. Every time you're within range of it, you'll want to be sure the microphone is deactivated or else place a piece of duct tape over it to ensure your conversations are secure.

    Probably a one in a billion chance, but you can never be to paranoid.
     
  2. Jun 14, 2011 #82 of 113
    phrelin

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    My thoughts exactly!:D
     
  3. Jun 14, 2011 #83 of 113
    Stewart Vernon

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    It's worth noting that everyone posting in this thread that thinks it is ok to not know how their computers work... has already spent far more time in this thread than it would take to learn how to work that web cam.

    It's paranoid to check to see if your web cam is on but not paranoid to lock your doors? Did you see someone waiting to break in? OR are you jut exercising basic common sense in protecting yourself and the things in your home?

    I've spent far more time in this thread and unfortunately it hasn't educated anyone in a meaningful way that will prevent a breach of security in the future... so I think it hasn't been time well spent.

    I hope the predator gets what he deserves... I hope the victims learned a valuable lesson that helps them in the future... and I hope others will learn from the cautionary tale, despite those who seem to think no one should learn anything and should just continue to be ignorant of the world and dangers around them
     
  4. Jun 14, 2011 #84 of 113
    MysteryMan

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    You might want to heed your own advice. Today's Yahoo News has a interesting article about Senate computers being hacked by Lulz Security. You remember Lulz Security? They're the ones who hacked Sony and Public Broadcasting System. If governments and corporations can be hacked with all their imense security precautions it's a safe bet individules can be hacked with little effort. Earlier you posted your wife takes her Nook and phone into the bathroom (even when taking a shower). If I were you I'd put down your copy of "Matching Wits with American Mensa", stop gloating on how your name is on the first page and start sifting through your stool with all those little pieces of know-it-all's to see if there are any compromising photos of your wife floating around the internet. In your words, "one can never be too paranoid"! :rolleyes:
     
  5. Jun 14, 2011 #85 of 113
    Lucavex

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    The difference between a consumer like Spartanstew and a huge corporation like Sony is that LulzSec has a REASON to hack into Sony, and PBS, be it for financial gain or a political statement, or simply "foar teh lulz" as they would put it.

    The only reason you would need to start fearing your system being hacked is if you either anger a known hacker (in which case you may never know who you made mad, so it's probably a good idea to be generally kind on the internet, you never know what people are capable of, and who you're talking to) or if you advertise that you've got sensitive information on your system.

    A consumer typically doesn't have a reason to fear being actively hacked. Generally, the only thing they need to be wary of is that they don't get any malware on their machines, and become part of a botnet.

    So nah, I don't think covering your microphone with duct-tape is necessary, no reason to throw a towel over your webcam unless you start getting odd messages about it needing to be near hot steam.
     
  6. Jun 14, 2011 #86 of 113
    MysteryMan

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    Trevor Harwell's victims are typical consumers and probably didn't have a reason to fear being hacked. But look what happened. With your line of thinking perhaps the charges against Travor Harwell should be dismissed and his victims told to only be wary of malware. Being paranoid is one thing. Being cautious is common sense.
     
  7. Jun 14, 2011 #87 of 113
    James Long

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    I'm sure you'll find a hundred words. Perhaps two. Some of them insulting. Seems to be the nature of this thread to 'win' by speaking more. :rolleyes:

    This isn't fire, sticks, knives, guns, rocket launchers or even the rear view mirror of a car. The camera is a minor feature that many don't think about.

    In a car I'd compare it to a back seat power outlet. One is required to take a test to get a license to drive a car ... and if they had driver's ed they were specifically shown the rear view mirrors and instructed and tested on their use. No one taught me about the back seat power outlet. Nor did they warn me that leaving a device plugged in would drain my battery and prevent the car from starting, leaving me stranded. (My current car prevents that by disabling the outlets when the ignition is turned to off.)

    There is no test for computer ownership. Perhaps there should be - but it seems that would only serve the elitist attitude.

    Don't ever make any mistakes, Stewart. And when you do, please post them so we can ridicule you. :D
     
  8. Jun 14, 2011 #88 of 113
    Carl Spock

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    How come today's Dilbert comic strip reminds me of this thread?

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  9. Jun 14, 2011 #89 of 113
    Cholly

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    On anothe tack--I was watching an April 3 podcast of TWIT last night on my TiVo Premiere, and Leo LaPorte and friends were discussing the fact that Apple has the capability to turn the mic on your iPhone on and record the content. In particular, they were talking about an app called "Color". I don't pretend to understand all the conversation that went on. For more information, you can search for "Twit 295" on YouTube.
     
  10. Jun 14, 2011 #90 of 113
    Stewart Vernon

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    Smart people can do stupid things... and every once in a while a stupid person can do something smart.

    I have done all manner of stupid things in my life... but I can say that when *I* do something stupid... something that causes harm to me... something that *I* should have known better or something *I* could have avoided... I am the first person to say, "That was stupid of me... I will not do that again."

    And it teaches me to avoid similar pitfalls in other areas.

    I'll give some examples...

    As a young kid... probably pre-school age, but close to school-age... I had a magnifying glass that someone had shown me how to start fires with. One time, playing in the yard by myself... I accidentally set fire to a shirt I was wearing at the time.

    That was a very stupid thing. In hindsight, I was not mature or educated enough to have had such a device unsupervised because I wasn't qualified to use it... but honestly, I should have known better to be more careful.

    A little older, but still elementary school aged... I had a soldering iron... not a gun, but an iron... it had no off switch... plug it in = hot, unplug = cooling off... It didn't get hot enough to change the color of the metal... and a lot more than just the tip was hot.

    Once, while soldering... making little things like a simple fan or connecting lights... I accidentally grabbed the soldering iron while it was hot... gripped it pretty good... and got a good burn/blistering on my hand.

    Again... it turns out I was not mature enough or skilled enough to have been using such a device relatively unsupervised (my parents were in the room but I was using the iron by myself)... at the same time, I knew it was hot and should have known better than to grab it like I did.

    So in both examples, I demonstrated that I was not qualified to be using the tools I was allowed to have... and the result was me doing something stupid. I did learn from those mistakes, and I didn't blame anyone else for either of them... and no permanent damage was done (except to that burnt shirt)... but I didn't blame others, and both situations could have been completely avoided by not having access to things I wasn't yet ready to have.

    So let me ask this on another level... since we had a thread on this before... Given the possibility of a hacker gaining access like this... IF you have young children, would you buy your child a computer that has a web cam and put that computer in your child's room unsupervised?

    If not, why not? and why wouldn't you apply the same level of sensibility to your own computer in the living room?

    If you would, why would you given what we know in the context of this very thread?
     
  11. Jun 14, 2011 #91 of 113
    spartanstew

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    other than the fact that you've used the words web and cam, I don't see the correlation, but I'll play.

    First, my kids will never have a computer or tv in their room, so lets say it's in the game room. No, they won't have a web can until there much older, but not because I think someone will hack it or spy on them without their knowledge. It's because they'll figure out how to use it. Totally different.

    We did have video cameras in their rooms when they were younger that were tied into the tv in the living room and I imagine someone could have hacked into those, but I'm not going to spend my time worrying about those one in a billion chances.
     
  12. Jun 14, 2011 #92 of 113
    tcusta00

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    What the hell happened in here? :eek:
     
  13. Jun 14, 2011 #93 of 113
    phrelin

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    Yeah, I'm really sorry I started this thread.:confused:
     
  14. Jun 14, 2011 #94 of 113
    James Long

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    One of those stupid things smart people do is to ridicule people with less experience for not getting it "right".

    It is good to see that you make mistakes - but the more you ridicule others the more it is good for them to see you make mistakes.

    Personally I don't want people rooting for me to fail so I get knocked off my high horse. I'd rather not climb up on one in the first place.

    But to each their own.



    I'm sorry that the VICTIMS had their cameras hacked and that they were taken advantage of. I'm not going to ridicule them.
     
  15. Jun 14, 2011 #95 of 113
    afulkerson

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    Maybe it's time to close this thread.....
     
  16. Jun 14, 2011 #96 of 113
    RobertE

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    Nah, this thread hasn't gone nuclear. The Hitler/Nazi bomb hasn't been dropped...yet. :lol:
     
  17. Jun 14, 2011 #97 of 113
    tcusta00

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    We have multiple dictionary references though, it's percolating here. Tick tock.
     
  18. Jun 14, 2011 #98 of 113
    James Long

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    Thanks for invoking Godwin's law. :rolleyes:
     
  19. Jun 14, 2011 #99 of 113
    sigma1914

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    Does a post from the Soup Nazi count? ;)
     
  20. RobertE

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    If people followed Wheaton's Law, we wouldn't need Godwin's law. :p
     
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