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Can people just walk to class without being prosteletized to?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Jack White, Oct 4, 2006.

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  1. Jack White

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    No way dude, any Moslem group handing out pamphlets in public would be attacked by a mob. Maybe if you live in Canada or some other liberal country that wouldn't happen. I've never seen Hindus handing out religious material either, only Christians.
     
  2. GeneralDisarray

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    Dude, you must have never walked though an airport in a big city!!! LOL
     
  3. Slamminc11

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    And that mob would be no better than the extremist who flew the planes into the towers. Lumping those idiots that flew the planes in with other Muslems is like lumping in Pat Robinson and Jimmy Swaggart in with all Christians. Every group has their nut cases.
     
  4. Nick

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    Well said! :up:

    I've heard that, in prisons, religious conversions to Islam are quite common.
    But then, the Muslims have a captive audience, so to speak. :p
     
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    You've obviously never been mobbed by a group of Hari Kristhnas then....
     
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    They don't seem to be in the airports anymore...
     
  7. notme

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    Just tell them your "Orthodox Pervert", works every time. :p :D
     
  8. s8ist

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    I've seen them on campuses before... calling everyone whores and masturbators and whatnot... I actually think it's kind of funny. I like to debate them. Honestly, you seem like the kind of person who dislikes organized religion, so there's your opportunity to explain why. Usually crowds of students surround them because they are so nutty and confrontational that they are entertaining. Maybe a couple of kids think they are correct, but the majority of them walk away with an unfavorable view of religion in general. I think that these guys are better at making atheists than believers. They only reinforce my negative views on religion and I'm not alone.
     
  9. Bogy

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    I love to debate with people trying to proselytize me, no matter what theology they are pushing. Big surprise, right. :D
     
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  11. pjmrt

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    Actually me too. The Jehovah's Witnesses quit visiting me some time ago. :D
     
  12. Bogy

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    I was starting to convince a JW sometime back, until his partner decided she better get him away from me. :lol:
     
  13. s8ist

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    You should never underestimate the intelligence of our youth today. Everyone is targetting their minds... But they aren't so stupid that they just believe everything they're told. Sure, they look like lemmings that copy everything they see on MTV and MTV2, but I've witnessed enough of these confrontational sermons to know that when the show is over, everybody can't stop talking about what a whacked-out a-hole the guy is. Sure, they may not agree with me and my atheism but there's a lot of justified doubt out there. And I meet a lot more doubters when the cards are out on the table.

    If you really think this is wrong, I think Baptism has this argument beat in terms of fairness and age. College kids are in an environment of debate, so I think it is completely appropriate. Preachers showing up at my doorstep after I've had a long night of drinking is another story.
     
  14. jonstad

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    I'm not underestimating anyone. I assume the youth of today are just as capable of rational decision making as my or any other generation was. In fact, because more information is available to them, they should be much better at it. However, even though I may have turned into an old fuddy-duddy, the results as I see it don't confirm that.

    Campus "ministries" that proselytise on campus do so for two reasons. Occasionally they may gain some "converts". But even if they don't, the very act of doing it reenforces the solidarity of the group. And that may be an even more important consideration. If they do attact some new members, they have "done the Lord's work". If they don't, or maybe are even jeered, heckled or laughed at, it convinces them of the evilness and wickedness of the world outside that has likely been taught to them by their leaders.

    Perhaps you haven't witnessed too many people being converted, but you've also probably witnessed not too many of the proselytisers dropping their pamphlets in the trash bin and strolling off for a "long night of drinking" with you and your buddies either.
     
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    That comment has to be a new high (or low) in cynicism! :nono2:
     
  16. Bogy

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    Nick, Jon stated that the proselytizers are NOT likely to go out for a long night of drinking. The sentence is somewhat convoluted, but I do not read it as saying they proselytize during the day, and do what they preach against at night.
     
  17. s8ist

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    No but I have witnessed the following:
    Christian frat boys debating the minister saying-"You're giving Christianity a bad name!"
    Ironically their arguments fall apart because they simultaneously indulge in pleasures their book prohibits.

    A girl who called herself Christian spitting in the minister's face because he called the girls whores. She later claimed to be more agnostic as a result- (not that I think highly of her character by her actions).

    A Satanist reciting absurd, comical, and violent verses from the KJV Bible as a source of debate to the minister.

    Two gay men kissing in front of this minister to evoke response.

    A hilariously contrived explanation of the fossil record being forged by Satan to test our faith.

    Dinosaurs and humans at once coexisted (according to him).

    I do see there is a resurgence in the Christian Right movement within my generation, but it doesn't seem to have so much to do with campus preachers as it does with their upbringing.

    I'm most afraid of Calvary Chapel. They'll proselytize at raves and bring people in to their tents that have beanbag chairs. Last thing I'd want to listen to while on consciousness-altering drugs, is someone reading Bible verses to me. It reminds me of Charles Manson, but BYOLSD. .. or BYOX.
     
  18. Bogy

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    This sounds like a minister I'd like to have a debate with. :D

    A long time ago I occasionally attended the original Calvary Chapel, where (I think) it was Chuck Smith started it from a surfer ministry. Very interesting Bible studies. :lol:
     
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    Bogy's right Nick. I wasn't suggesting the proselytisers were spending their off time indulging in wine, women and song.(although I do suggest they try it at least once);) Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.:shrug:
     
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    Most of the counteractions you describe are sophomoric and juvenile at best, and I say that with apologies to sophomores and juveniles everywhere. You have actually managed to evoke sympathy in me for campus evangelists, not an easy task. It suggests to me that for your generation, at least in this debate, both sides are losers.(not "loosers"):)

    And BTW, you might want to practice some moderation with those "consciousness-altering drugs" under any conditions. I speak from experience.:p:icon_stup
     
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