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Can the HR34 record a whole transponder?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by qcarm, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

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    The one benefit I can see from this is when a new show premieres that you did not know about and the next day everyone is talking about it, it would be nice if you could just go home and watch it.

    Other than that, don't really see any benefit as some stuff doesn't get watched within that week.
     
  2. Steve

    Steve Well-Known Member

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    It would also be good for folks who are technologically challenged, for whatever reason. Makes it real easy for them, at least for the network stuff.
     
  3. jzoomer

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    Seems like a marketing gimmick to one up the HR34 box.

    Don't think there is much value in it for real life scenarios.
     
  4. Daniel

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    Most of the scheduling conflicts that we have in our house revolve around recording primetime broadcast network shows. If I didn't need to worry about the big four networks and still had two tuners available to record non-broadcast networks (three during non-primetime), that would probably fulfill all of our needs.

    I also saw a demo of the Hopper and it is blazing fast. I've about lost patience with our ridiculously slow HR21s.

    I don't know if I'll switch yet, but the Hopper/Joey combo is very tempting.
     
  5. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    Hr34 can get all your network channels at once, and because of how often cable channels repeate their programing, you shouldn't miss anything of theirs either.
     
  6. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    I read that dish said trick play is disable. I doubt it Has anything to do with technology, and everything to do with making Hollywood happy about this feature.
     
  7. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    More cents to add :) - see above.
     
  8. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    You may be sticking to the wrong thing then.
    When Sac HD locals were on Spaceway, the seven channels used one TP, and when they moved them off they take 2 TPs now.
     
  9. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Nope, I can tell you real bandwidth of each tpn.
    5-6-7-8 HD channels is not an issues for DVB-S2 8PSK Ka transponders. Take look back to the numbers (I recal in Sixto's thread) where I did provide all combinations of FEC and real throughput of Ka tpns.
    [No way you could take on top of me in such discussion . :) I have facts in my hands !] :D

    Addition: Each One Ka Transponder has SR = 30 Msps Regardless Satellite Type, would it be D-xx or SW-x. It would give real hint about bandwidth of these transponders.
    Also, I will give a chance to proof the statement about using 62.5 MHz bandwidth of SW-1/2 transponders, but don't forget to cover that by specs of using these by DTV demod chips regarding max Data Rates ! ;)
     
  10. David Ortiz

    David Ortiz Save the Clock Tower!! DBSTalk Club

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  11. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    IIRC, Sixto and I had some PMs about the number of channels per TP, and it turned out he was correct [duh]. When the SAC locals moved off the Spaceway, the seven HD channels took up more than one TP.
     
  12. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Sorry, but presenting facts would be more appropriate to get this going...

    At this moment, I will take it as that technical info above posted by me is prevailing and a verdict fall to default:
    - DTV is not using 'wide' transponders of SW-1/2 for downlink to STBs;
    - by modified FW (SW) DTV could take whole mux [transponder], do store it as a raw file and parse/play later by user's request.

    [I saw during early stage of D10 in orbit tests these SW-1/2 62.5 MHz tpns - perhaps used for other purpose...]
     
  13. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    This may not be as entertaining as you want/hope.

    I can't measure the actual TPs bandwidth using in MHz.
    I do know that the Sac DMA had four 1080i + two 720p channels on one TP off the Spaceway. They later added the PBS 720p, but don't know if this was before or after they move them off the Spaceway and now they use 2 tps.

    As for the receiver tuner chip and any additional chips needed.
    "It would seem" everyone would have leveraged this if the chips could do this.
    Maybe Dish has added enough chips to handle this, but the topic was about the HR34, which doesn't/can't, and isn't going to be done "with a software update", from what I've heard.
    I do know, a couple of years back DirecTV was "floating the idea" of being able to go back in time in the guide and pull up shows to watch. This idea never was explained to any detail, and hasn't seen "the light of day" in any form yet.
     
  14. LameLefty

    LameLefty I used to be a rocket scientist

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    Don't even try to use legal terminology. It's hard enough to follow what you're trying to say in ungrammatical English mashed up with technical jargon (half of which is non-standard or used in odd contexts). Mixing in legal terms with nuances you don't understand helps no one. :nono:

    Now, all of the above Treknobabble notwithstanding, I reassert what I wrote in my post above: "recording a whole transponder" is so vague as to be meaningless without substantial qualification and context.
     
  15. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    As I've posted, they carry more channels than the others.
    I'd seriously need to see a block diagram before I could believe the "whole TP" could be routed back from the hard drive to be processed for playback.
     
  16. David Ortiz

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    I'm just enjoying reading the posts. It's refreshing to observe (mostly)/participate (a little) in a discussion with people who know what they're talking about.
     
  17. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    Sad to see one of so technically educated/trained/experience satellite building engineer swamp in my bad English and lost himself in real word of satellites/transponders/chips and terminology.

    Stop reading my grammatically incorrect posts - read Broadcom docs, look under hood of your HR34 (no need to open a cover for that) ...
    Do something by yourself to understand the discussion, bring real facts what you are American Correctly Speaking Person could do, just close eyes to my posts.
     
  18. P Smith

    P Smith Mr. FixAnything

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    I can do that with $30 PCIe or USB sat card.... Easy. :)

    I did give real info about some of KA tpns, when ppl asked to compare some channels between DTV and dish ...
     
  19. qcarm

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    From a software standpoint, it doesn't matter where a stream comes from. You just need a stream from somewhere (the receiver or hard drive) to feed the Broadcom and firmware. If the chipset doesn't care where the stream comes from then it shouldn't matter whether it is deconstructed during or after reception.
     
  20. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    This is where the actual board/block diagram needs to come in.
    Can the whole TP get to the hard drive and then can it be routed back to the processing chips? :shrug:

    Guess the point I'm trying to make is: is there a common bus for all these chips, or are they cascaded from one to another?
     

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