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Carnival Triumph (and other Carnival issues)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. tsmacro

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    As well they should.

    http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=AP&date=20130319&id=16255096


    From the above article: Mike Driscoll, editor of Cruise Week, said Carnival is smart to take the extra time and make the necessary improvements, because it shows the company is taking the recent shipboard problems seriously.

    "The cancellations are painful in the short-term, both to Carnival customers and Carnival Corp.'s bottom line, but a very shrewd maneuver in the long-term," Driscoll said. "Carnival is facing increasing scrutiny, not just from media, but from Congress, so they're acting quickly to forestall legislative maneuvers that might require them to make such moves anyway down the line. The view is that it's better to do it on your own, as opposed to having politicians require you to make changes."
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    Yeah...3-4 major cruiseline debacles reported in a year or less worldwide will typically motivate a company to act - most companies don't need that much motivation - so it's more than "about time" for Carnival.

    But it's also good to hear on behalf of any future passengers. :icon_bb:
     
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  5. Apr 3, 2013 #185 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    ...the saga continues with this vessel...

    Source:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/travel/carnival-triumph-breaks-loose-dock-ala-shipyard-1C9201251
     
  6. Apr 3, 2013 #186 of 226
    SayWhat?

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    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/03/travel/carnival-triumph-adrift/?hpt=hp_t2


    They need to take this thing out and sink it like they do with old naval ships.
     
  7. Apr 3, 2013 #187 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    The problem with that, otherwise excellent idea, is they have to clean it up before they sink her. They can't polute the ocean with all that staff floating in the passageways...:)

    Peace,
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  8. Apr 3, 2013 #188 of 226
    tsmacro

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    You know I kind of wondered about them working on that ship there. Triumph is the largest ship they've ever had there, they used to handle one of Carnival's smaller ships out of that port but they even don't sail that one out of there anymore. I just had in the back of my mind "do they really have the facilities for such a large vessel in that port?". Guess if you can't even keep it secured when it gets windy then the answer was obviously no.
     
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    Repairing a ship is different than servicing a cruise ship with all the passengers embarking and debarking and associated luggage, food, hotels, airport, etc. The shipyard obviously has piers long enough and the ship channel depth is 42 ft; move than enough to handle her 27' draft.

    I haven't read whether the lines parted or whether the pier hardware didn't hold.
     
  11. Apr 3, 2013 #191 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    tsmacro

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    Ok well you obviously know more about the port than I do, I just knew having ships as large as the Triumph wasn't routine there, nor had I ever heard of it as a place they work on cruise ships so that was why I wondered if were properly equipped.
     
  13. Apr 4, 2013 #193 of 226
    Laxguy

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    I looked at three or four articles just now and didn't see any info on that. I am curious, and wondering also that when a ship is in for repairs, does the dock owner take responsibility for the soundness of the lines and bollards?

    Also interesting to note that all reports say the ship broke away, not that the dock failed to hold her. And they mention the missing dockworker, though several accounts say it's unrelated to the Carnival ship......
     
  14. Apr 4, 2013 #194 of 226
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    Yes, the reports are somewhat different right now. Yesterday, the reports were that the winds were 50 mph all the way up to 80 mph. Today, they all seem to be saying 66 mph. The guard shack getting blown into the river with two men in it would lead me to believe the winds were substaintially higher than 50 mph.

    The lines and securing the ship to the pier would be spelled out in the contract between Carnival and the yard (BAE). Major repairs and longer yard periods typically give that responsibility to the yard.

    The pier hardware would be the yard's responsiblitiy (or who ever owns the pier), but if the ship was responbile for their lines and didn't properly distribute them to the available bollards (or bitts), then the yard could blame it on the ship.

    And from the way the media is reporting the story, it probably was the lines parting that set the Triumph free, but I haven't read an article that specifically states that.
     
  15. Apr 5, 2013 #195 of 226
    trh

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    Here's a statement from an LA Times article that changes things up a bit:

    Edit: Just read another article that said Triumph crashed into the pier causing it to collapse.
     
  16. Apr 5, 2013 #196 of 226
    Laxguy

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    I-yi-yi! I think she also caused my stock portfolio to decline....:D

    Video. I want video!!
     
  17. Apr 5, 2013 #197 of 226
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    Sorry. The only video I've seen is after the Triumph was on the other side of the river.

    But more information keeps coming out.

    Carninval in their latest press release said this:
    Carninval Press Release 4-4-13 7:30 PM

    One of the ship's anchors is also missing somewhere in the river and divers are trying to locate it now (they didn't state whether it was dragged there from pier-side or whether crew dropped it in an attempt to stop the ship).

    Family members of the missing man said he was in the guard shack when it was getting knocked around by the high winds and that the Triumph "took that pier out and it collapsed under them."

    A local TV stations says 40 feet of pier was destroyed (Probably why the ship is now berthed at the cruise terminal instead of back at the yard).

    But you'd think with 800 people on board the ship, some video would surface soon.
     
  18. Apr 5, 2013 #198 of 226
    Laxguy

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    Thanks. Looks like more shall be revealed......
     
  19. Apr 5, 2013 #199 of 226
    Chris Blount

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    Ok, so this is a bunch of horse pucky. I'm actually siding with Carnival on this on.

    When we cruised on the Triumph back in October, we were late getting into 2 ports because the Triumph was instructed to turn around and render assistance to 2 ships, one of which was not even there when the Triumph showed up at the location.

    Just those two diversions alone probably cost them a boat load of money in fuel.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/should-carnival-cruise-line-clean-up-after-itself-20130405
     
  20. Apr 5, 2013 #200 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    I see a little of two side, though not so much Rockefeller's.

    Yes, I agree with you completely, Chris, in that the Coast Guard is there as a public service to all those in need. And all upon the seas must help thems in need. I'm willing to pay that price as a taxpayer.

    Yet, I see an aspect where the cruise industry needs to clean up. (Note, I do not single anyone out.) So many ships are registered outside the US to avoid inspections, some that might have prevented the problems. What if ships were required to be inspected yearly for compliance to UN regulations if they are to make call in the US? That might save some trouble and at least ensure the UN regs are met.

    Peace,
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