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Carnival Triumph (and other Carnival issues)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Feb 16, 2013 #81 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    I disagree. On purpose, Carnival did not do the maintenance. On purpose, Carnival ignored the warnings of the previous events in the engineering compartments. On purpose, they were not prepared as they should have been.

    And on purpose, they created the compensation plan that probably isn't enough.

    That is the whole point of negligence lawsuits. If one doesn't do the normal, necessary things to prevent accidents, then they are negligent.

    Now if Carnival had been doing the normal maintenance, normal inspections, and otherwise been on top of things, then the lawsuits have less chance and merit. Even in a well maintained system, thing can and do happen.

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  2. Feb 16, 2013 #82 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    Yeah, I've seen the $500 number before too. Plus some talk of discounts on a future cruise. So I'm guessing $500 by itself is low but I'm not sure if the whole package is reasonable.

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    Tom
     
  3. Feb 16, 2013 #83 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    Yeah....with the cruise refund ($1000-$1400 on average per person), free future cruise of equal value, and $500 - the offer is actually about $2500-$3300 per person in value.

    I suspect that number will go up in a future offer (perhaps done with NDAs).
     
  4. Feb 16, 2013 #84 of 226
    RunnerFL

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    Something that happens out of neglect or poor maintenance might as well be considered as done on purpose.
     
  5. Feb 16, 2013 #85 of 226
    carl6

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    That would be of absolutely no value to me. No way I would ever get back on one of their ships if I experienced this event. (Actually, no way I would ever get on one of their ships anyway.)
     
  6. Feb 16, 2013 #86 of 226
    carl6

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    Agree completely. There were business/management decisions to not spend money to do maintenance or repair when it is indicated. Extending the time (or cycles, or whatever) between maintenance may seem like a good way to reduce cost, but in the long run it tends to cost you more than you saved along the way. Further, it has the potential to place people's safety at risk. This is not limited to the cruise ship industry, it applies to just about everything mechanical including the maintenance on your own vehicle.
     
  7. Feb 16, 2013 #87 of 226
    Karen

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    I got a little queasy after reading this article...

    "They didn't tell us about the fire at first," Pena said, recalling the initial confusion. "The outside world knew more than we did."

    Without power, the ship bobbed aimlessly in the open sea. Toilets wouldn't flush and passengers were told to relieve themselves in the shower and in red plastic bags. Immediately after the fire, Pena said, the ship started tilting to one side, because the stabilizer was out.

    "The sewage started coming out of the drains," she said.

    "All the carpets were squishy. You could smell feces," Pena said.

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/16/5194794/sacramento-woman-recalls-deplorable.html#storylink=cpy

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/02/16/5194794/sacramento-woman-recalls-deplorable.html#storylink=cpy
     
  8. Feb 16, 2013 #88 of 226
    trh

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    Obviously Ms. Pena has no idea the purpose of stabilizers or how they work.
     
  9. Feb 17, 2013 #89 of 226
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    So? When it happened, for whatever reason, the sewage started coming out of the drains and made the carpet squishy...
     
  10. Feb 17, 2013 #90 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    You're likely not the only one who would have that view.
    All spot on Carl - that's where the risk lies for passengers.

    It also applies to aircraft - anything with large amounts of public transportation. That's why the NTSB is also investigating, even though they have secondary position on the Carnival situation based on the Bahamian registry of the ship. It's a safety event.

    Maintenance is critical to the safefty of passengers on any means of mass transportation.

    Just like those 20+ year old U.S. aircraft still flying....they get the best maintenance in the world because it's required. When the airlines dispose of them...they either go to the aircraft bone yard or get sold to foreign countries without the regulations for maintenance. It's no coincidence that places like South America, Russia, and other places have 90% of the aircraft crashes.

    In this case...it comes down to Carnival's assessment of what maintenance they choose to do, and clearly they do the minimum. Other posters here have testified on both the condition and experiences with other Carnival ships. The web is littered with tons of other such information-sharing.

    Bottom line - Carnival has some of the oldest cruise ships out there in their fleet (Triumph is about 14 years old), and they clearly minimize maintenance on them. Those are serious considerations for anyone who thinks about choosing their cruises. Some regular cruisers have known about these things for years, which is why we'd never consider them. We're headed out very soon on a cruise with Royal Caribbean, and have no hesitation, knowing they have an entirely different philosphy on the importance of maintenance and refurbishing their ships.
     
  11. Feb 17, 2013 #91 of 226
    tsmacro

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    Of course the other thing is Carnival is the biggest cruise company (they do own several other brands including Holland America). So they have more cruise ships than anybody so that when a cruise ship has problems it's just statistically most likely that it'll be a ship that Carnival owns. I mean if half the cars on the road were Fords, Fords would be in more wrecks than any other brand.
     
  12. Feb 17, 2013 #92 of 226
    Rich

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    Yup, say that on a Navy ship (at least when I was in the Navy) and you'd get a tongue lashing (at least) from a Bosun's Mate.

    Rich
     
  13. Feb 17, 2013 #93 of 226
    Laxguy

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    Interesting, as many would consider the value a negative one....;)
     
  14. Feb 17, 2013 #94 of 226
    Laxguy

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    How about "going upstairs" or to "the front of the boat" or "the ceiling". Or calling fenders "bumpers", or "the bathroom", or.... was about to write 'dining hall' but that's what I call it now. Hardly a mess hall when you're seated in a 50 seat restaurant with white table cloths and you're paying a $25 premium for extra special dining.....
     
  15. Feb 17, 2013 #95 of 226
    dennisj00

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    I'd almost take a bet that at least 50% of the passengers getting credit for this one and a free one will be on 2 cruises within the next 18 months or so.

    Edit: Or in thinking more about it, if it's a cash refund for the this trip and a free future trip, it'll be a really profitable trip within the next 12 months!
     
  16. Feb 17, 2013 #96 of 226
    trh

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  17. Feb 17, 2013 #97 of 226
    Tom Robertson

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    Yeah, that was a very good article.

    Peace,
    Tom
     
  18. Feb 18, 2013 #98 of 226
    hdtvfan0001

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    That simply doesn't hold true on safety issues.

    Carnival Triumph is a situation of failed safety maintenance, not manufacture, regardless of the number of ships.

    Fact is in their main fleet, they only have 1 more ship than Royal Caribbean (soon to be a couple less than RCCL), and yet 3 major instances like this in 3 years.
     
  19. Feb 19, 2013 #99 of 226
    tsmacro

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    Yeah just like I have no interest in "Dish Bad, DirecTv Good" (or vice versa) debates I have no interest in "Carnival Bad, Royal Caribbean Good" either. Also like I have no interest in having a counting contest on who has the most channels or HD channels, I have no interest who has the most ships, all I know is that when I check the financial info of the companies, it states that Carnival has about 50% of the worlds cruise business, so that's where I got the info about them being the largest cruise company. I cruise on both and enjoy them both. I've had two what I consider to be minor incidents one with each. I had Carnival cancel one cruise I had scheduled because they had to bring the ship (the Pride) in for maintenance for a couple weeks, including the week I was supposed to be on it. They rescheduled me a couple weeks later on a voyage that was actually priced a little higher than the one I booked for no additional cost and gave me some small on board credit, I think it was something like fifty or a hundred bucks. The other time was on Royal Caribbean (Enchantment OTS)they said something about one of the two ship's Azipods not working so they couldn't go as fast as they usually do and they modified the itinerary to a closer island. I also this time got a small on board credit for "my trouble". The way I look at it sometimes stuff just happens, things break down and honestly when it comes to cruise ships as big as they are and as many trips they take I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often! I already have my next Carnival cruise booked for this fall and I'm looking at booking Royal hopefully sometime next spring, I haven't tried either of their "Oasis style" ships yet, I was thinking it was time to check one of them out.
     
  20. hdtvfan0001

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    That's all well and good....but in the context of what happened on Carnival Triumph....consumer awareness (or blindness) of cruise line historic practices - particularly maintenance and safety - are quite relevant.
     

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