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Carnival Triumph (and other Carnival issues)

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Chris Blount, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. tsmacro

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    From a quick search on the internet I found where Carnival has had three incidences where an engine fire left ships stranded, The Tropicale in 1999, the Splendor in 2010 and the Triumph in 2013, is that a lot? Is that enough to speculate that they have maintenance and safety issues? I mean since I have no insider knowledge of their actual practices. I mean it's kind of a dangerous game to assume you know something because of secondhand knowledge, especially if your most likely source is the internet. I mean a quick search of Royal Caribbean for example could have you believing that they have trouble with people falling overboard, crewmen sexually assaulting passengers, that their flowrider should be banned because it causes lots of injuries, they have captains that misjudge weather conditions and sail their ships into major storms causing passengers to end up with broken bones and that they dump waste from their ships into the ocean. Why would anyone want to do business with such an obviously troubled company? And all of this in less than five minutes of looking at a search engine result. In any case I just find it a little disingenuous when someone starts purporting to "know" things so specific like the maintenance practices of a cruise line. Unless you work in a maintenance position for the cruise line or for a company that does inspections of cruise ships I'm going to remain skeptical of your "knowledge". So far based on my personal experiences I've enjoyed cruises on both cruise lines with very few troubles on either and that's what I'm going to base my knowledge on.
     
  2. Nick

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    Good that you have enjoyed your cruises, but don't discount factual news reports of serious problems. For Carnival Cruises, they may well have had systemic management/maintenance shortcomings that led directly to the engine room fire and subsequent electrical failures..

    In hindsight, neither you or I would want to have been booked on the Costa Concordia or the Carnival Triumph.
     
  3. tsmacro

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    The Concordia definitely not. The Triumph, meh, I dunno I would've made the best of it. While not ideal I would've taken my refund, my free cruise credit, my $500 and tried my damndest to have fun despite it all. I guess I just don't see where Carnival's problems are serious enough to have to worry about it all that much, I mean the vast majority of their cruises don't have any problems. On very rare occasions one does and it makes it newsworthy. I figure if it ever got to the point where it really got bad they'd end up putting themselves out of business due to so many bad customer experiences and bad PR. Of course I suppose it's possible that something could happen to change my mind but we're a long way from that point yet.
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

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    Those are just incidents of fires...there have been plenty of others that risked passengers safety and/or health.
    Agree. It comes down to a corporate philosophy on handling passenger safety, health, and risk issues. Time and time again, Carnival has demonstrated they don't prioritize those things at the levels they deserve. That's not just here-say or rumor - I also have 2 relatives who have experienced Carnival's poor choices when it comes to risky operations, and both refuse to ever cruise with them again. Then there's the numerous online stories...
     
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    To me it looked they went to the shipyard for repair first and not to the nearest port to let the passengers off. For that they got a lot of bad press.
     
  6. Tom Robertson

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    There are only a couple of ports that can handle a cruise ship that size. The original plan was to go to the nearest Mexico port, but by the time the tugs arrived, two ports were equally near. Carnival picked the one in Mobile, which probably made the most sense overall.

    Peace,
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  7. Laxguy

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    Most likely. There could also be howls of protest/indignation from those who had any poor experience transiting Mexico.

    But "by the time the tugs arrived" implies the ship had changed position from the initial breakdown. That's certainly plausible given the windage of such a behemoth. I bet it can make a couple of knots in a fair breeze.....
     
  8. dpeters11

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    They said that gulf currents had caused it to go north 90 miles.
     
  9. Tom Robertson

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    ^ This is what I read. :)

    Peace,
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  10. Laxguy

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    And I believe you guys, and the report. I didn't know it was far enough East to get part of the current. Had it been in the Gulf Stream off, say, Lauderdale, it might have gone a few hundred miles North!
     
  11. tsmacro

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    Ok I can tell you're convinced that Carnival isn't worthy of your business and you feel it's important to try to convince people that it's just common knowledge that your choice, Royal Caribbean is better. I haven't experienced any real difference between the two philosophically or otherwise. I'm sorry if it frustrates you that I haven't seen the light like you have apparently. From where I stand both companies have their problems and as long as they're run by humans they always will. If I chose to focus on those problems I could probably convince myself that they both are undeserving of my business. Especially if I spent too much time reading "numerous online stories" which it seems you only notice the ones about Carnival and conveniently turn a blind eye to those about Royal Caribbean. But once again as far as I can tell they both do an excellent job a vast majority of the time and I've been happy with my experiences with them both. Of course while they both get some credit based on my past experiences with them they both have to continue to earn my business with each interaction I have with them. After about almost 20 years of cruising so far so good with both of them.
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    People can have their eyes as open or shut to the facts as they choose.

    Some folks prefer to be informed.
     
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    Guys, lets not get personal. I don't have the authority to do anything but it still bothers me. Thanks
     
  14. tsmacro

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    Enjoy your time at sea! :)
     
  15. tsmacro

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    I don't think anyone was getting personal, at least I don't think there was any name calling or anything. It was just two people who have a difference of opinion on how they interpret the available data and the validity of said data. ;)
     
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    Thanks! :)
     
  17. dennisj00

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    I think there have been lots of opinions and related 'evidence' from friends of a friend that had a bad experience with xyz line presented in this thread rather than hard facts of maintenance problems or related failures. One or two samples / stories doesn't mean there are systemic problems.

    The Concordia certainly wasn't related to maintenance.

    I haven't seen any concrete links or evidence of related failures from lack of maintenance.

    The passengers had an inconvenient interruption of their fun vacation. They were lucky that the weather / seas weren't worse.

    While I have no cruising experience and don't plan any, I've been on lots of sailboats in the Atlantic and Carribean and south Pacific (Galapagos). It's amazing what a situation a plugged head can cause! Add 4000+ people and the size / complexity of the cruise behemoth along with the ocean and all bets are off.

    On one crossing we had an electrical fire one Thursday at 2am that initially seemed a problem, but again just became an inconvenience even though we were 450 miles from anywhere. I never thought to sue the owner or question his maintenance. Sxxx happens, no matter how well it's maintained or redundancy is designed.

    I'm sure the lawyers are working on their suits but I don't see it having a big effect on the cruise industry or a particular brand.
     
  18. hdtvfan0001

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    There is far more than "inconvenience" involved. It's a safety issue.

    It would seem that now that there has been a Class Action lawsuit filed, numerous media stories of previous maintenance neglect situations by Carnival, and previous events named to demonstrate questionable ship safety practices - there is far more than 2nd hand anecdotal evidence of Carnival's lack operating a safe and quality cruise line.

    Furthermore, evidence has been filed in the suit that already has been reported on in the media as well as additional documentation on top of that.

    There are plenty of folks who do cruise regularly and have followed various cruise line activities that are not surprised about this latest Carnival debacle.
     
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    Mechanical problem reports are harder to track down the only place I could find them are a list of "incident reports" by the US coast guard and there didn't seem to be anyway to reduce the list to just cruise ships or just mechanical issues. This list is from about the last year, any longer and you just get a ridiculously long list: http://cgmix.uscg.mil/IIR/IIRSearch.aspx

    In perusing that list I did see a Carnival ship listed as having "loss of propulsion" and a Celebrity ship (RCC owned) with "hydrolic fluid" problem of some sort.
     

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