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Cascading DPP44 switch with a DP34 switch?

Discussion in 'Technical Talk (Closed Forum)' started by Mark Lamutt, May 1, 2005.

  1. May 1, 2005 #1 of 20
    Mark Lamutt

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    Why is it that you can cascade a DPP44 switch with a DP34 switch if the DP34 switch is the first in the chain, but you can't if the DPP44 is the first in the chain?

    If I connect a DPP44 switch as the first in the chain, the receivers connected to the DP34 switch don't see connection #2.
     
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    Mark,
    It may be that the #2 cascade port on your DPP44 is bad.

    (I am just guessing of course)
     
  4. May 1, 2005 #4 of 20
    larrystotler

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    Did you try using the other 3 ports from the DP+44 into the DP34? I've never heard of anyone with a similar problem, but these cascades aren't very common.
     
  5. May 2, 2005 #5 of 20
    Mark Lamutt

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    Nah, that one's a completely separate issue. :)
     
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    Mark Lamutt

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    I didn't try the other port on the DPP44, but the beta guys told me that it had to be installed in this order - DP34 then DPP44, so I had to go and try to install it the other way just to see what would happen. I was just wondering if any of you guys knew why, that's all.
     
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    First I have heard of this. I have seen where others have used the DP+44 and then the DP34, but I have not tried it yet,......
     
  8. May 2, 2005 #8 of 20
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    I've heard that too.

    Maybe try testing the cascade port by running it directly to a receiver.
     
  9. May 2, 2005 #9 of 20
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    Are we talking about cascading or trunking here??? Trunking uses the ports labeled - To addition switch. Cascading a 44 and 34, hrmmm, would that get you like 6 satellites?
     
  10. Mark Lamutt

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    Alright, then - trunking the 2 switches together. :)
     
  11. SimpleSimon

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    YOU can call it trunking (as it DOES say in the DPP44 install manual).

    The rest of us will probably continue to call it cascading. :D

    Thanks for making me look that up. :)

    I found the references to beat the grounding nay-sayers up with. The switches ARE approved to take the place of a ground block. I always knew that, but never had the reference in hand. ;)
     
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    While I don't portend to know everything Mark, I believe this goes to the same reason you can't us a DP34 with a DP+ Twin. I think it is something in the DP+ itself that won't allow you to go DP+ to DP, but you can do DP to DP+.
     
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    eh? The DP+Twin should work just like a DPTwin when connected to a DP34. You just can't take advantage of the dual tuner on 1 wire features.
     
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    I have references for that as well. I also have references where they said NOT to use it as a primiary ground. Costs me $1 extra to install the ground block. So, I will keep doing it that way. Plus, it allows me to have the switch inside and the ground outside in a lot of cases. Of course, the DP+Twin is eliminating a lot of that now tho.
     
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    I says in the DPP Twin manual that you can't use the lnb in if you connect to a 34 switch. And why would you anyways because the +Twin has a sort of 34 switch built in. Use a cheaper DP Twin and no head ache.
     
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    I was just meaning the DP+ part of it is screwed up with a DP34... As I said there is alot I don't know that I'm sure you know Larry, The best route of a customer to go when they need DP+ on more than 2 dual receivers is a DP+44 with DP LNBFs. It would be preferrable to go that route if you want 4 orbital as well. I know there are alot of ways to set up alot of differant configurations. But DP+ into DP doesn't seem to work right and I was just giving my thoughts on the similarities of the DP+ Twin into a DP34 as a DP+44 into a DP34.
     
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    Evidently, E* is planning to discontinue the DP Twin in favor of the DP+Twin due to it's versatility. Also, you cannot use a DP+Twin for an 811/522/311 install. you have to use either a DPQuad or a DPTwin/DP34. So, they should definately have the ability to do what we need it to do.
     
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    Could you elaborate on that? I've used the +Twin on those receivers many times. If you use the +Twin on a 34 switch you can't use the +Twin's LNB IN port. And I don't see why you'd use a 34 switch with a +Twin.
     
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    It doesn't make sense for E* to make 2 versions of a Twin. They could discontinue BOTH the DP Twin and the DP Quad in favor of the DP+Twin. Yes, you cannot use the input on the DP+Twin when using it with a DP34 or a DP+44, but they are only charging us $2 more for a DP+Twin now, and they could further reduce costs by only having to make 1 of the 3 switches.
     
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    Right. The DPP-Twin CAN drive a DP34 just fine. The LNB In and DPPlus (band translation & Legacy support) features are disabled when used this way, but as Larry says, it doesn't matter cost-wise.

    As for Larry's original post:
    What he meant was that a DPP-Twin can not drive a 3-box setup by itself.
     

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