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CBS HD on 61.5 now being down converted!!!

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by Gary Murrell, Dec 16, 2005.

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  1. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    As JohnH posted, I am talking about WRAL 5 for CBS and WRAZ 50 for FOX in Raleigh. WRAL was the first to go HD in the country way back when... and several years ago they built a new HD newsroom. They also have mobile HD cameras they take out for location shoots for news segments.

    The 11:00 news is on WRAL, they have a 10:00 "early" news on WRAZ... and though they sometimes rotate the news persons around, its basically the same people and exactly the same newsroom.

    Though I don't like hockey... they sometimes broadcast 1080i HD Hurricanes games on WRAZ during the hockey season (when hockey exists of course). And last year they doubled-up on the NCAA broadcasts so they could show an HD game on WRAL and another HD game on WRAZ when two of the local teams were playing games at roughly the same time.

    So they take advantage of their 1080i equipment whenever they aren't broadcasting the FOX-forced 720p programming... which is kind of nice.
     
  2. JohnH

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    For informational purposes: ESPN2HD is now listed as Mpeg2 in the tables. The 5 new VOOMs are still listed as Mpeg4 regardless of what format they actually are.
     
  3. James Long

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    Thanks for staying on top of the numbers.

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  4. Stewart Vernon

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    I gather from reading threads in the past that what the tables say may or may not reflect reality until activated for customers, right? So it is still possible that the extra Vooms will be turned on in MPEG2... but also possible that ESPN2HD could become MPEG4.

    It just doesn't seem logical to me, that they wouldn't do this batch in MPEG2... and use the locals in HD rollout to "force" folks to buy the MPEG4 receivers while also giving them to all new installs after XX/XX cutoff date.

    Otherwise it seems like they would be inundated with calls to upgrade to the new receivers and they can't meet that demand OR they would be met with disinterest from those of us angry enough to balk at the forced upgrade at this time.

    Seems more likely that the January batch will be MPEG2... except for locals in HD... and then probably all new HD they add from February onward may be in MPEG4 to force upgrades then as well.

    Otherwise they'll be in a pickle, charging folks for channels they can't get unless they pay for a receiver they maybe can't get either!
     
  5. guruka

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    Has ayone noticed that the audio sync is off ever since they switched CBS-HD to Rainbow 1 and started transcoding it to 720? The video lags the audio by several milliseconds. Very annoying! I emailed E* FWIW.

    .....G
     
  6. bmanner

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    Yes, I have noticed it too. The audio will get out of sync but fluctuates back in and out. However the initial pixlization and video problems that were occurring when they first switched CBS-HD to TP17, now seem to be much better.
     
  7. voripteth

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    Waitaminute... Voom has historically had a problem with audio sync. Now that CBS-HD is being transmited on the Voom satellite we're seeing audio sync problems. Conicidence? :confused:

    Or is this a flaw with the satellite itself? :eek2:



    Hope Dish got a good price on damaged goods. :nono2:
     
  8. hazydave

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    Quite a few of the HD sets, including nearly all smaller ones, have a native resolution of 1280x720 or thereabouts. It's pretty common for manufacturers to publish this now, it wasn't until recently. There certainly are full 1920x1080 sets, they tend to be large rear projection or very, very expensive flat panels.

    So they can technically get away with it.

    The 720p fans are confused, anyway... those who favor 720p [a] probably have 720p-only sets, and they think the progressive is less flickery and offers some better motion characteristics. Well, the last one is true -- IF you have real 720p material.

    However, when you downconvert from 1080i to 720p, you don't magically get 60 frames per second, you still have 60 fields per second. So what you get is 720/60i. You can convert fields to frames, but you're going to wind up with what's effectively 720/30p. Which, of course, Dish probably loves, it's going to be much smaller than 1440 or 1280 x 1080 interlaced. I don't believe they'd bother interpolating twice per frame to deliver what's basically a fake 60p anyway... plus, that offers little savings in bandwidth over real 1080i.

    Most of the HD world has settled on 1080i for now. My new video camera does 1080i (albeit, at 1440 x 1080), and that's the big direction the industry's supporting, with cameras, tools, etc. Except JVC and ABC, I guess, who are the remaining standard bearers of 720p... and you need serious pro gear to get 720/60p. So you're going to see this on ABC TV and perhaps other ABC owned channels, but not elsewhere.

    So that CBS downconversion is bad news for absolutely everyone.
     
  9. James Long

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    :welcome_s hazydave
    Some of the assumptions at the beginning of this thread are no longer true. It appears that E* is now doing straight 1080i conversions to 1280x1080i on those channels they have chosen to downsize and passing 1280x720p on channels such as ESPN2HD that are provided in that format. It does not appear that they are doing the 1920x1080i -> 1280x720p trick that was reported by a single source at the beginning of the thread.

    JL
     
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