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CES 2009 Slingloaded HD 922 DVR

Discussion in 'ViP922 DVR Support Forum' started by dvrblogger, Jan 8, 2009.

  1. jacmyoung

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    We have been talking about the HD programming coming out of the HD DVRs and whether such can be delivered to a remote location in true HD fasion.

    I have not looked into the reverse streaming issue so cannot comment on that yet.
     
  2. GrumpyBear

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    We already know that the SlingproHD, can send out a HD stream on the Home Network. Your focus has been on the slingcatcher not being able to except and pass through this HD signal, like a computer can except, the HD Stream on the Home Network. Like Computers, the Dish ViP's can except and process HD signal's. Most people with a ViP 722/622 will be able to take advantage of this, in thier Home Network. Right now I want more info on the Internet tuner, more than anything else. What it works with and what it wont work with. For those with the correct download speeds, this could really be a great Tuner.
    Most of the rest of the features, are just an expansion or merging of already existing technologies.
     
  3. jacmyoung

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    Can you provide a link where they talked about the VIP622/722 decoding web based HD content fed in from the ethernet port?
     
  4. GrumpyBear

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    Quit confusing Web based, vs home networking. Most of us, have been talking about Home Network, we all realize, no matter what can be sent, there are far to many limitations from ISP's, to send that kind of stream out.
     
  5. jacmyoung

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    Ok then, can you provide a link where they talked about a VIP622 or 722's ethernet port can be plugged into a home network CAT5 terminal and playback any true HD content and from what source?

    The only thing I know is they can use the ethernet connection to download HD VODs from E*, no need of help from Sling.
     
  6. James Long

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    I hope you can see that if we relied solely on your knowledge it would be easy to dismiss this new product.

    Be patent. More information will be forthcoming as the product nears release. Don't expect full technical information within a week of release.
     
  7. GrumpyBear

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    For DISH Network customers with select DVRs, SlingGuide will provide a personal, integrated and centralized view of everything you want to watch or record on DISH Network including programming from hundreds of channels, thousands of programming choices, and even internet video from Sling.com.

    The following is a list of DISH Network DVRS that are expected to be compatible with SlingGuide at launch.*

    HD DuoDVRTM SlingLoadedTM ViP® 922 (Just Announced)
    DuoDVR™ ViP® 722k
    DuoDVR™ ViP® 722
    DuoDVR™ ViP® 622

    *Receivers require a broadband network connection to use SlingGuide.


    So they some plans in the works, you could always reread the launch. Sure looks like they are going to leveage the installed base of ViP622/722 DVR's.
    Still not enough information on the Internet Tuner, hope more is coming soon. Hopefully we can get these before Sept too.h
     
  8. jacmyoung

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    I read that too, the only thing added is the ability to download video from Sling.com, not surprising at all. There is no HD on Sling.com and I do not expect they will be able to get much real HD shows because for one thing, the content owners do not like to spread their content in true HD format around on the Internet, and even if they do, usually through a secured licensed carrier for HD PPV revenue.

    DirecTV HD DVRs can already stream Youtube and many other online video services now which offer many similar shows like Sling.com, and no HD BTW, mostly lower than SD, that is why I did not take that particular part of press release seriously.

    The most significant development will still be the ability for true HD streaming from a Sling HD box to the SlingCatcher, so one can watch true HD recorded on your 922 or 622/722 either on a home network or on the road.

    We are not there yet according to the above report linked by DustoMan, but they are working toward that end.

    BTW it does not use an "Internet tuner", it is simply a receiver capable of displaying web content, again as I said the DirecTV HD DVRs can do so already. For example I sometimes stream free movies from Netflix and watch them on one of my D* HD DVRs, because we have a $10/mo. Netflix account. The free movies are less than DVD quality.
     
  9. GrumpyBear

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    From Entropic's website.
    With respect to new revenue streams in the MoCA home networking space, we see continued progress on new design wins with OEMs, technical field trials by operators, and a firming up of deployment timelines. We still expect two new tier one US service providers to deploy MoCA by mid-2009 with additional tier one service provider deployments in late 2009.

    We believe the killer application for MoCA, multi room DVR is rapidly becoming a must have feature for consumers. According to a July survey by the research firm, Parks Associates, more than 10% of consumers would switch to a new TV provider to get multi room DVR functionality. This equates to over 10 million TV homes in the U.S. alone.
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/103...-inc-q3-2008-earnings-call-transcript?page=-1

    Maybe this is the reason that, only the ViP622/722/722k models are named and the ViP 211/612 are not included, in the list of supported models with the 922. Since the ViP622/722/722k models, can output/communicate Coax to another TV. Could be that the Coax plug will be used for something really useful? Instead of having to use a Home Network, you can use coax and not have to have a Home Network at all.
     
  10. jacmyoung

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    No, because of copy protection issue. The reason the 622/722s are included is because they have ethernet/broadband connection.
     
  11. GrumpyBear

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    You really need to learn how to read.
    :rolleyes::nono::nono2: :nono::rolleyes::nono2:
     
  12. jacmyoung

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    Coax in the form of the 622/722 TV2 will only be used for SD transmission, not HD, much like the web based transmission. When it comes to HD, copy protection is an issue no one can get past. E* had an coax solution for HD delivery called the 5000 modulator, I had two of them when they were made about 7 years ago, they only belong to a museum right now if they are lucky.

    I don't care about SD, I told you we have all the SD streaming capability already, if this is what you are so excited about, that is fine. The TV2 SD will be as much as you can expect for the coax output of the 622/722.

    As for ethernet over coax, more power to it, but it is not 622/722 TV2 you can be sure about that.
     
  13. DustoMan

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    You do realize that "True HD" is a marketing term and not a standard. 720p is HD and there are content providers (Hulu, ABC.com, and Netflix) that stream it. I'd be perfectly happy with that especially if it's free.
     
  14. jacmyoung

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    I can use all three above with my DirecTV HR21s but has yet seen any 720p content, do you have examples of which shows are true 720p?

    While 720p on a 1080p 50" screen still is visibly less appealing than a good 1080i or 1080p show, it qualifies as "true HD".
     
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    How do you know this?? There was plenty of news at CES about MoCa offering ETHERNET over coax, clearly that implies Ethernet (minimum 10Mbps) speeds which could be used to stream (not necessarily copy) HD content from one box to another. If it's only used for streaming the content providers don't have any argument against it.
     
  16. GrumpyBear

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    Bob, You are expecting him to actually do reading.
    http://broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s358252&industry_id=1&source=home this one was from Steve.
    Or this link as well.
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/103557-entropic-communications-inc-q3-2008-earnings-call-transcript?page=-1
    Both were supplied. Once you start reading about MoCa 1.1+, it starts to make you think, about how Home DVR can be done.

    Granted just incase, here is the 1st lines
    Broadcom Announces Industry's First MoCA® -Integrated SoC Solutions for High Definition Set-Top Box and Gateway Applications

    Broadcom® Integrated MoCA 1.1+ Technology Significantly Reduces the Cost, Complexity and Power Requirements to Deploy Whole-Home Media Distribution.
    To satisfy this market demand, Broadcom announced two new HD multi-format video decoder SoCs with integrated MoCA at this week's International Consumer Electronics Show.
    The MoCA-integrated chips enable cable, satellite and IP-network equipment manufacturers worldwide to drive the next evolution of networking in the digital home by utilizing existing coax wire infrastructures.

    And as Steve pointed out the New 922 uses the NEW chips that support this.
    Granted you may want to read Steve's link the 1st one, 1st.
     
  17. Steve

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    Well, it's just speculation on my part that they're using that chip. :) I'm guessing based on DLNA compatibility and wireless transfer to and from the remote, which happen to be features the chip and the 922 have in common.

    If it is that chip, MoCA support wasn't mentioned in the 922 press release, but might be available down the road. /steve
     
  18. GrumpyBear

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    Now it wasn't, in the launch guide, all the said was ∑ Future upgrades such as photo sharing, movie ticket purchases, family calendars, instant messaging, streaming audio, and the ability to transfer content within a home network. For lots of us, Home Networks will support this, but lots of others, just using a existing cabling would work, in a grand peer-peer scheme, using just the ViP 622/722/K, as machines will work makes you wonder too. Because if it was just Broadband support, than the ViP211/222/612 would be included as well, they all have ethernet ports too. Only feature missing is the coax support for 2nd TV support, for the ViP211/222/612

    I think we need to start a new thread on, ideas, speculations and Hopes for the 922 and connectivity.
     
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  20. jacmyoung

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    You obviously did not understand what I said, MoCA is fine, coax can be used to deliver ethernet connections, but not the 622/722 TV2 coax output.

    MoCA has nothing to do with the E* TV2 output, even though both contains the word "coax".
     

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