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Ces2008 - Hdpc20

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. JayB

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    Chris, have you (or anyone you know) tried the hack Richard Miller posted over at DigitalLifestyle.com (http://thedigitallifestyle.com/cs/forums/thread/2608.aspx)? I know that this is just a hack and not "supported", but if it does work, it would allow you to save your recordings directly to WHS without the need of a script. If this works for the current tuners, it should continue to work with the HDPC20, right?
     
  2. ChrisL01

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    Yeah, that very well should work, but again I wouldn't suggest it. Your saturate your network with high bitrate content and you risk losing your recordings all together. I don't believe they are cached on the local hard drive at all, so if you start losing packets then the recording could be useless.

    With how cheap hard drive space is, there is little reason (IMHO) to record directly to a network share. Sure it is kind of the Holy Grail, but setting up a script (or using something like Sync Toy) to move the recordings is my suggestion.

    Chris
     
  3. sorahl

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    WHS does not show up as a network share. it shows up as a directory on your pc, atleast that is how it worked when i used the beta.

    sorahl
     
  4. Shawnn

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    With the HDPC-20 PC Based DirecTV Receiver and DVR coming soon do you think it will be possible to connect your HR-20 to a Windows Media Center PC and use the HR-20 store your DirecTV content and stream video to the media center or media extenders. I’m assuming it would be possible to do through the Ethernet port or the USB port.
     
  5. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Probably not.
     
  6. JayB

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    It shows up as a network share now. The connector software puts a folder on your desktop that makes it look a bit like a directory, but it's referenced as "\\server\..."
     
  7. JayB

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    I agree - even with my gigabit network I wouldn't bother. But some folks really, really, *really* want to do this for some reason (perhaps for the duplication/mirroring the WHS does? dunno), that I thought I'd mention it.

    Thanks for the reply.
     
  8. windex

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    That some reason is that people want to migrate all their media to a central location. This day and age it shouldn't matter which room your in. Why shouldn't you be able to watch the ball game from the bedroom, living room, computer room, back deck, garage, using a common interface and with a variety of hardware that's not directly tied to a d* receiver? Should we really need a receiver in every room when there is already a gaming system or computer capable of displaying the same thing?

    The next logical step for television is to separate the content from the display device, commonly known as the television. The content that appears on the television has appeared there for so long many people seem to have forgotten the television is just a device to display images with a built in radio tuner. Its time we started separating the content from the display device because quite frankly it just doesn't matter any more, people want the content they have from anywhere.

    Its all just data, it doesn't matter where it is as long as the technologies exists to access and display it. In this case the technology is there the vision simply doesn't hold up to those in position to allow it to happen because of greed and fear. Its good to see D* stepping up and giving the people what they want. I haven't seen or heard of anything like this from any other providers, if its done right it could be leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.
     
  9. sorahl

    sorahl Godfather/Supporter DBSTalk Gold Club

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    You've nailed it exactly. I'm tech geek, i've been doing all the geek stuff for years. I have two wired networks running my house (100 and 1 Gig) and 1 wireless network with AP's on all three floors. It was ONLY when microsoft did their fall update for the xbox 360 and also Directv enabled video to work on the Media share that things have FINALLY started approaching where i want them. I am able to watch any video file i have on my 3 TB server on our plasma upstairs in the family room from my office downstairs.
    We are not there yet. I want this to be bidirectional and everywhere. But with WHS, and the HDPC and the forthcoming ability to share from DTV hr20 to the pc, and hopefully to another hr20 THEN i will be where I want to be :)

    sorahl
     
  10. JayB

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    Maybe I'm confused, but with a media extender, it doesn't matter, does it? Why move your recorded TV files over to WHS when the extender or another computer can access them just fine sitting on the MCE machine? Not trying to be obtuse here - I just don't see what you're buying.
     
  11. sorahl

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    The reason is that a lot of us have huge amounts of media (photo, video, audio) and by having it in multiple locations we tend to have unnecessary duplicates. By always having all our data in ONE location, regardless of where it started, we save space, and always know where to find it. For myself I have one machine with 3 TB of media (mostly audio from an OTR library) and another 1tb atleast spread over 2 other machines. I KNOW there are duplicates and it is very inefficient. So I will be using WHS as the one location that ALL machines/extenders will be able to retrieve content from for everyone in the house that wants to use it.

    John
     
  12. JayB

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    As a WHS user, this is the same reason I use it. However, what I don't see is why this is you'd want to this with all your TV shows. Unlike the rest of my media (music, pictures, home movies, etc.), TV shows are transient, temporary things. I'm certainly not going to be interested in archiving "Rules of Engagment"! :) I see WHS as a place for things I'll want forever (or at least for an extended period of time), not for things that flit in and out of existance. But hey, "different strokes for different folks" and all that...
     
  13. ChrisL01

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    This is a case of Microsoft having several products with the same basic concept. When Media Center was first launched, this is exactly what it was going to be. One central PC in your home controls all your content. The trouble is that Microsoft did a second product with much of the same reasoning, except it added data dup and backup abilities.

    Adding to what I just said above, Extenders only connect to the PC running Media Center. The Extender can't connect to WHS. So in order to do this you are actually holding the content on WHS, but it basically is going though the PC hosting the Media Center Extender session also.

    In other words, these two products merge at some points but currently don't connect. This is going to lead to problems for people looking to use WHS as the center of the home media distribution.

    Chris
     
  14. jodavis

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    The solution for this is to have a single MCE PC hosting all your media and the HDPC tuners. Then you have a 360 or other extender in any location where you may want to view the content. I cant believe it will be that long before Sony, LG or one of the other high end display makers (maybe SHARP) integrates a Wireless N Media Center Extender into a flat screen. That is my holy grail because then all I have to run to any location where I want a display is 120V power and any new technologys or features that come out can be integrated into the PC without replacing all the displays in the house.
     
  15. mikela

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    Guess your holy grail has come to be. Check out HP's website for their Media Smart HD LCD's.
     
  16. jodavis

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    Sort of. This would be perfect when it functions as a Media Center Extender and it is coupled to high end displays instead of middle of the road LCDs
     
  17. ChrisL01

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    I think the HP displays are rather nice, but your right it is not really a BRAVIA. That said, HP will have Media Center Extender's included into all of their MediaSmart HDTV's (free upgrade will be offered on last years models), and Samung will have an add-on device that will turn their displays into the same.

    Chris
     
  18. Deathknight

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    Personally I could see the day coming that I would consider doing this. With the ability to use this as my primary dvr, recording via OTA tuners in addition to pulling shows off of the dish, and then streaming shows throughout my house, I would probably want to upgrade my htpc with more storage and a raid config that gives additional fault tolerance.

    The problem with running that many drives is that my simple htpc becomes a little cramped on space, generates more noise and more heat than I would care for.

    Now I could always move my htpc out of the living room and use it purely as a server and replace it with a media center extender, but really I would prefer to continue using it in its current role, just adding additional duties to it. I don't think I would ever go this route until I really had the networking aspect of it thoroughly thought out however. Gigabit from MCE to the server etc.
     
  19. jeonunh

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    You could always do what I do. I have my mce system in the basement. The thing is pretty loud with 6 drives and agressive cooling, but I can't hear it upstairs. I ran a 30ft HDMI cable to my main TV to avoid needing an extender. I actually have a second 30ft cable running to another room that lets me watch the same thing in another room, and an extender in the bedroom.
     
  20. JayB

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    Ah, now, if I could have the tuners and such in my server and record to it that way and then just have extenders throughout the house, *that* I would buy into. My single issue here was recording via the HTPC and saving it across the network to the WHS machine. When the HTPC can serve up the videos just fine why would I want to move everything to what amounts, in this scenario, to a different server? Personally, I wouldn't. Other folks though, they see value here and that's fine if it's fills a need they have.
     

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