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Ces2008 - Hdpc20

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. greynolds

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    In my case I already have a PC in my home theater system which I use for watching DVD's (TheaterTek), Bluray & HD DVD (PowerDVD), HDTV (BeyondTV Link), listen to music, etc. I have another system in another part of the house with lots of disk space and 7 OTA HD tuner cards running BeyondTV Server.

    Rather than purchase and add a media center extender to my system, I would much rather upgrade the existing PC's to Vista and use Media Center to watch content that was recorded on another Vista Media Center system elsewhere in the house. It would make perfect sense (at least to me) to allow Vista itself to be a media center extender.
     
  2. cmziggy

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    It would make perfect sense (at least to me) to allow Vista itself to be a media center extender.[/QUOTE]

    I would aggree with that, they should allow other Vista machines or even older XP or Mac systems to pull content from the Vista Media Center system.
     
  3. ChrisL01

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    This was kind of part of the idea for the CableCARD tuner that is out now, but instead of the tuner being accessible to various PCs it actually just connects to a single PC via USB and records centrally to then distribute content to the Media Center Extenders pointed out above.

    The Niveus tuner (which is really just two ATI tuners in a custom case) will only interact with a Niveus PC and connected Extenders (Niveus has their own called the EDGE that looks just like the rest of their PCs).

    I guess if D* wanted to they could make it a truly "networked tuner," but at this point it doesn't look like that's the method. There is one ATSC/QAM tuner on the market that does this today, the HDHomeRun.

    To those who don't follow Media Center this is the concept behind a never released application/concept known as Softsled (or a Software Extender). While you can share recorded content between PCs today, you can't share protected recordings with anything but Media Center Extenders. If we had a Software Extender the thought is that the content protection issues would be solved and thus enable streaming and sharing of all this content to other PCs.

    At this point we don't have anything like this.

    Chris
     
  4. Jeremy W

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    That's what I thought, thanks for the definitive answer.
     
  5. greynolds

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    What I'll probably end up doing for now is move my recording PC into my home theater system. This will have my OTA HD tuners (probably scaled back to 3 or 4, as I really don't need 7), a pair of the new HDPC20's (giving me 4 DirecTV tuners) and 4+ TB of storage. Instead of a vertical tower case, I'll most likely convert this system to a HTPC case (but one with room for lots of drives along the lines of the OrigenAE S21T - though something like it minus the 12" display would be preferable to save $$$).
     
  6. iansilv

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    So... extenders stream recorded content around the house, Vista pcs wont... but Mymovies will not work on extenders, only vista pcs...

    That is just lame. Lame I tell you! what si the thinking? Some DRM thing? Keeping us from rippin recorded content to disks? I just don't get it.
     
  7. ChrisL01

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    Just don't forget the heating/cooling and noise factors of such a system.

    My Movies works just fine on Extenders, I'm assuming the real issue you are referring to is the rather limited file format support that Extenders have. The Linksys DMA2100/DMA2200 and D-Link DSM-750 have increased file format support over that of the Xbox 360 Extender, but it's still no where near where it needs to be. On the plus side, the Linksys and D-Link do support MPEG-4 ASP (DivX/Xvid) and MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) out-of-the-box.

    The DRM issues generally fall under the content providers. This is very evident with CableCARD where CableLabs (thus content owners) write very specific rules about where the content can go and how it has to be protected.

    The key thing that Extenders do is that they stream content using WMDRM-ND, which basically just means it is a true stream with the content never touching a user accessible bus or sitting open on a hard drive (both are very easy to hack in todays world and get an unprotected digital stream).

    If Microsoft ever figures out that a PC with Vista can do the same then we might get some sort of protected content sharing from PC-to-PC. This also opens up video/audio codec support for My Movies and other applications because Media Center works via DirectShow for video playback (so you just have to install a codec and it works, Extenders are closed so you can't do this).

    Chris
     
  8. greynolds

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    Right - my only real concern is the heat (and perhaps noise) from the extra hard drives. The HDPC20 tuners would be external, so they wouldn't really be an issue. Several internal OTA HD tuners shouldn't be a problem. This box will end up replacing 2 DirecTV HD Tivo's and 1 DirecTV SD Tivo (all hacked and running dual hard drives), so the noise from the hard drives should be a wash.

    My current HTPC has 2 sound cards, an Immersive Holo3D Faroudja scaler card, a passive Radeon HD 2600XT video card, Zalman CPU cooler, and is in a Zalman HD160 case. This system is pretty quiet and runs nice and cool.
     
  9. iansilv

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    What i mean by "Works with mymovies" is that I can play my ripped dvd, hddvd and bluray collections through mymovies through an extender,a s though it was a pc. IF not, if I have to convert my dvds to some other codec, then I don't think it works. I just don't like the idea of having to convert my media around. It's frustrating. Unless I ma making it harder than it is, which I probably am...

     
  10. dbears

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    I am in the exact same boat. It sounds like I'll need a PC and an extender at every TV to get both DVD content around the house and access all the Directv recordings. MyMovies is a great application. Converting all my discs to another format immediately causes the loss of the menu structure and the benefits that presents. This is very disappointing but I remain optimistic that someday MS will figure it out.

    In the meantime, I wait...

    Mike (Da Bears)
     
  11. Elephanthead

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    This will make me switch to Vista, once it is available, time to run cat6 to all the TV spots! I assume there will be a unit that outpust HDMI that you can network to the main PC/server. I will obviously need 8 of these units to be able to record all Sunday ticket games for future viewing!
     
  12. greynolds

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    HDMI will be a function of your PC, not the HDPC20. The HDPC20 is simply a USB tuner (just like a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-950 or any number of other USB tuners) except that it receives DirecTV channels instead of OTA or cable channels. Vista Media Center and your PC will take care of all DVR functionality and HDMI output.
     
  13. ChrisL01

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    Media Center beta is now immediate. Private D* tuner testing will likely be a part of it. More Info

    Chris
     
  14. scuba_tim

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    :D

    Ver cool Chris, thanks for the update. Can you say when the NDA would be up, might help with the timeline... had to try anyway. :D
     
  15. ChrisL01

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    Microsoft NDAs go from the start of the beta to the end of the beta (not set in stone). They don't do date-based NDAs for this kind of stuff, it's just whenever it ends.

    Given the time periods of other Media Center betas, I wouldn't expect to see anything final until October at the earliest.

    Chris
     
  16. scuba_tim

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    Thanks for all the info Chris. Maybe CES 09 will have a full consumer ready experience.
     
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    Tonedeaf

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    Hypothetically speaking, if someone were to be accepted into the beta of this unit, are there confidentiality clauses in the hardware loan agreements?

    Just curious as I am never good at reading those kinds of documents. :D
     
  18. Apr 4, 2008 #758 of 776
    ChrisL01

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    Everything related to the beta is confidential.

    Chris
     
  19. SpoonsJTD

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    Hey Chris, any idea if there's an ear I could whisper in about trying to get into the beta? Long time DirecTV subscriber, I have Vista Ultimate already, I have an XBOX360, I did the tech edit for Windows Home Server for Dummies, and I'd really really like to test this thing. :)
     
  20. Greg Alsobrook

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    you and about 4,000 other members on this board.. ;)
     

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