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Discussion in 'The OT' started by spartanstew, Jan 30, 2010.

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  1. Aug 2, 2012 #121 of 145
    TBlazer07

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    It was never an "announcement." It all started with an interview with (I believe) a religious periodical (correction, a religious talk show). It just got picked up and blew up from there.

    As for someone seeing him eat out on a Sunday, that sounds like something that I might take with a grain of salt and pepper & some waffle fries unless I witnessed it myself (or if TMZ reported it :)).
     
  2. Aug 2, 2012 #122 of 145
    klang

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    There wouldn't have been an issue at all if Rahm Emanuel hadn't made his comment. :nono2:

    Haven't tried Chick-fil-A yet. I'd like to but around here they are always packed and I don't like waiting in line too long if I can avoid it.
     
  3. Aug 2, 2012 #123 of 145
    sigma1914

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    This isn't a fight over chicken. It has nothing to do with the first amendment. This is about an American corporation openly and proudly supporting an organization such as Exodus International that shames people for being themselves. This is the type of disdain and disgust that pushes so many gay teens to suicide. They are made to feel subhuman, worthless even. A small but socially significant portion of the money you spend at Chick fil a is donated to people who hate gays. They hate with passion. They seek to "cure" them from our horrible affliction.

    Dan Cathy is free to vocalize his beliefs. He is free to declare his company "Biblically" driven. I couldn't care less about his beliefs. I will not, however, knowingly provide a dime to the groups Cathy chooses to donate his company's proceeds to. I will not judge the employees at Chick fil a. I can't imagine how difficult all this controversy is for them, especially the gay employees. If you disagree with Cathy, do not take it out on his employees. They didn't ask for all this controversy.
     
  4. Aug 2, 2012 #124 of 145
    Chris Blount

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    Well put Nick and spot on.
     
  5. Aug 2, 2012 #125 of 145
    Laxguy

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    May I add....I don't like your opinions but you have to like mine, because my opinions are the right ones.
     
  6. Aug 2, 2012 #126 of 145
    Chris Blount

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    You mean the left ones. :lol:
     
  7. Aug 2, 2012 #127 of 145
    sigma1914

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    That's not what is happening with this situation. Most of the backlash is coming from seeing who the CEO is donating proceeds to. When you're donating big dollars to hate organizations, you're positioning yourself close to them and basically saying you support the hate.
     
  8. Aug 2, 2012 #128 of 145
    Laxguy

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    Heh.

    Probably should come back with, NO! My opinions are the center ones; everyone else is too left or too right! :grin:
     
  9. Aug 2, 2012 #129 of 145
    Chris Blount

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    Define "Hate Organization". By your definition you could be pointing your finger at just about every religious organization around the world. Almost all organizations hate something. Even my film club in high school hated Star Wars. :grin:
     
  10. Aug 2, 2012 #130 of 145
    sigma1914

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    My other post had an example - Exodus International.
     
  11. Aug 2, 2012 #131 of 145
    hdtvfan0001

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    I'm with you on that Chris.

    It seems like people lost all their rights to think, speak, or have any contrary view anymore without being challenged somehow by the label "hate". Odds are that not everyone agrees with everything for everybody either.

    Having diverse views made this country great for centuries. Now there are people who have twisted this concept into a reason to label anyone with an alternative view.

    People need to get over these overly-opinionated and over-sensitive mindsets that any disagreement is either a personal attack or "hate". Nowhere does Wikipedia use the word "hate" for their definition of the term "disagreement".

    Going back to topic...I suspect if people did their homework, they'd learn that hundreds or even thousands of companies support things/an issue they may personally oppose. It's reality check time.
     
  12. Aug 2, 2012 #132 of 145
    fluffybear

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    Rahm Emanuels comments just added fuel to the fire which really started after Boston Mayor, Thomas M. Menino sent a letter to Dan Cathy urging him to abandon plans for expansion in Boston.
     
  13. Aug 2, 2012 #133 of 145
    armophob

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    If he had publicly stated he was against interracial marriage, would that not be considered hateful? And is that any different in nature?
     
  14. Aug 2, 2012 #134 of 145
    klang

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    My bad, I thought Rahm started it.

    Funny thing is his ex-boss held the same views publicly as Cathy until just a short time ago. :lol:
     
  15. Aug 2, 2012 #135 of 145
    sigma1914

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    Interesting you say that. I read this following statement and it made me think how ironic this ordeal was...
     
  16. Aug 2, 2012 #136 of 145
    hdtvfan0001

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    Thanks for that post.

    It pretty much documents my last point about the commonality.
     
  17. Aug 2, 2012 #137 of 145
    phrelin

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    No one hates "PC" (politically correct, not personal computer) attitudes more than me.

    But the sensitivity does not come about from some folks sitting around a Starbucks discussing how to become thin-skinned and over-sensitive.

    Take a minute or two to read the Wikipedia entry on Matthew Shepard or the entry on Lynching in the United States. "Enlightened" folks from the surrounding communities used to come into San Francisco to attack gays.

    As I said before, I don't care about Chick-fil-A or what its COO Dan Cathy thinks. But...
    The thing is no small time radio talk show invites me to chit chat about my viewpoints. It is because I don't own a franchise operation covering much of the United States and because I don't do things like this:
    When very successful people who do not appear to be fringe lunatics support discrimination against others, it's a problem because there are fringe lunatics who are easily encouraged.

    So while I don't care about Chick-fil-A and don't like the fact that the PC attitude took over in the university setting, I don't dismiss the potential for damage within our society when "influential" people with what I'll generously call a "narrow viewpoint" keep up their efforts to have my government discriminate against others for "religious" reasons.
     
  18. Aug 2, 2012 #138 of 145
    Mike Bertelson

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    There certainly doesn’t seem to be any discrimination on the part of CFA in relation to their customers. But, is it just about freedom of speech? From what I’ve read over the last two years there seems to be a lot more going on.

    Frist, Dan Cathy is entitled to his opinion and religious beliefs, all of which is his business and protected under the law. I agree that it would be intolerant to attack the man for his beliefs and find it appalling that he has to justify those beliefs.

    However, Chick-fil-A also donates to organizations some of which have open anti-gay agendas.

    My problem with all of this is that last year, in response to anti-gay allegations, Dan Cathy specifically stated (Link)...

    All of this seems to me to be the “real hypocrisy” in this. By that I mean Dan Cathy, and Chick-fil-A are saying they have opinions/beliefs but they do not support any political agendas on marriage and family but yet WinShape and the Marriage and Family Legacy Fund (both Cathy family foundations) openly support and donate money to organizations that have strong, open, marriage/family & anti-gay agendas.

    If it were just a matter of Dan Cathy’s opinions I wouldn’t give it a second thought. When those beliefs seem to involve using Chick-fil-A to provide financial support to their own, and other, so called family values groups, and then potentially misrepresent that involvement...then I start to take and interest and do some more reading.

    I firmly believe that freedom of speech is the very foundation everything this country stands for. I also believe in the concepts embodied by the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

    I guess the question is where does freedom of speech end and discrimination begin? I’m not sure I can answer that but I find myself very suspicious of Dan Cathy’s motives in relation to the Cathy family’s choice of charitable contributions and foundations.

    Mike
     
  19. Aug 2, 2012 #139 of 145
    fluffybear

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    or it's employees or franchisees.

    CFA is not preventing homosexuals from eating in their establishments, working in them, or even owning them..
     
  20. Aug 2, 2012 #140 of 145
    Mike Bertelson

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    I didn't mean to imply they did.

    Mike
     
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