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Cinema Connection Kit - Do I need it?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by bsan, Aug 17, 2012.

  1. bsan

    bsan New Member

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    Hi all, I've spent quite a while searching for the answer to this but no success so I'll pose my question.

    I'm planning on upgrading my S2 DTivo boxes soon, to 1- HR34 and 2- THR22s.

    DTV CSR's tell me that I have to order and have CCK installed.

    I do not need/want MRV, VOD, PPV.
    I may want to use Directv2pc.

    Do I really need to have CCK installed?
    Can I setup Directv2pc using the ethernet ports on the DVR's instead?

    In the event the installer does insist on installing CCK, can I "wall off" the DVR's from accessing the public internet without causing any problems?


    HDVR2
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  2. banditt76

    banditt76 Godfather

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    You don't need it. Yes you can use the ethernet ports for the latter.
     
  3. bsan

    bsan New Member

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    Thanks.
     
  4. Shades228

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    HMC requires SWM so if you don't have it then yes you will have to get a CCK or WHDVR install in order to get a SWM installed. So if an agent is telling you that they have to order it then they will have to order it or the HMC cannot be ordered in the system.

    He may need it depending on his situation. Your assertion that the CCK is an iPad thing is also incorrect. It wouldn't make any difference if a CCK or ethernet was connected to the receiver as long as the iPad could connect to the network and the receiver was connected to the network the method of connection is not relevant.
     
  5. banditt76

    banditt76 Godfather

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    I realize that now, after being in that other CCK thread that ran on for 9 pages. I am still learning what it is for. I'm no installer so I am just learning on the fly here. So the CCK is for MRV mostly with multiple receivers and the SWiM is part of that setup. I got confused by the "cinema" portion of the name and was thinking about his disinterest in PPV and such. Thanks for helping me learn these new advanced setups.
     
  6. baws22489

    baws22489 Mentor

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    So if i have 6 HR-DVR's spread throughout the house already connected to my ethernet network for VOD, Youtube, etc. Do I still need the connection kit because i just ordered the HMC and they added it to my account? I dont care to share video with my kids DVR's but I might want to share video with the other DVR's (HR24,HR22,HR23) and wondered if it would work using the wired ethernet or does the HMC have to use their CCK?

    Sorry to ask but I have read different threads and DTV website and was confused.

    Thanks,
    Steven
     
  7. Shades228

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    A CCK/wCCK is nothing more than a device the isolates a range of frequencies in the coax cable and uses it for ip traffic. SWM is a technology that allows a receiver to use multiple tuners using just one coax cable. SWM allows the network to be shared.

    The answer is the same as I posted for the OP. If you don't have a SWM then yes you have to have one to get it ordered and installed properly. If you already have SWM then you do not.
     
  8. baws22489

    baws22489 Mentor

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    Sorry for another question. I would hope they make a wireless connection kit and a wired connection kit as i have a wired jack that connects my HR24 to my router that I currently use for on demand. So i don't want to have to use wireless and have to change my wpa2 or any settings that my xbox360 and laptops are using? The order shows the following which looks like it will be wifi?

    Home Media Center HD DVR
    Cinema Connection Kit
    VCONWifiDeca
    MRV Install
    HMC Receiver Condition
     
  9. Beerstalker

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    Doesn't really matter. Even if they give you the Wireless Cinema Connection Kit you can just hook it up with an ethernet cable rather than using the WiFi feature.
     
  10. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    In the context that the OP presented, why might a CCK be necessary?

    IMO, delving into SWiM technology is confusing the issue as it doesn't dictate how an HR34 is connected to one's router; it simply brings another option to the table without interfering with the other Internet connection options.
     
  11. Beerstalker

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    The way I understand it, this is a limitation of DirecTV's ordering system. The ordering system won't let a CSR order a Home Media Center (HR34) for a customer who doesn't have a SWM install (or doesn't have a SWM install noted in the DirecTV database). They also can't just place and order for a SWM install. They can place an order for a cinema connect kit, and when they put that order on the account it orders all the parts necessary to switch that customer over to a SWM install, and then changes the DirecTV database to show the customer as having a SWM install. The CSR can then order the HR34 since the customer's system is now seen as having a SWM install.

    Or at least something like that. The Cinema Connect Kit itself isn't required. It is just the easiest way for the DirecTV database/CSR to get you switched over to a SWM install. If the DriecTV database already has a customer in it as having a SWM install I don't believe they have to order the CCK kit along with an Home Media Center, I think they can just order the Home Media Center by itself.
     
  12. wahooq

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    Correct
     
  13. mfryd

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    In order for Multi Room Viewing (MRV) to work, the boxes must be a compatible type and networked together (TiVo's are not compatible with MRV). You can network the boxes together with standard Ethernet cable. SWM users can also network the boxes together over the same RG-6 that delivers the Satellite signal. DirecTV's policy is that you must network via the Coax before they will turn on MRV (it's possible, but not easy, to get around this). As a general rule, a receiver can be networked with an Ethernet cable, or over the Coax, but not both (the HR34 is an exception)

    The Cinema Connection Kit (CCK) acts as a bridge between the Coax network and your home's regular Ethernet. This connection allows boxes with Coax networking to connect out over the Internet. The box needs the Internet connection in order for Video On Demand (VOD) to work.

    If you have the Internet Connection, you don't need a full time phone line in order for pay per view (PPV) to work.

    If you just want VOD without MRV, you can hook all your boxes up with Ethernet, and skip the networking over Coax. If this is the case you don't need the CCK.


    The HR34 can act like a CCK. If your receivers are all networked via Coax, you can plug your home Ethernet into your HR34, and it will bridge the ethernet and Coax together. If you choose this option, you don't need a CCK.

    There are at least two different pieces of equipment called a CCK. One requires a wired connection, and one will connect to your home network over Wi-Fi. The Wi-Fi version is much bigger, and takes up more space. It is also easier to install as it has a coax pass through (the wired-only CCK requires a dedicated Coax drop).


    The above is a simplification. There are exceptions, but this is generally how it works.

    The bottom line is that if you have an HR34, you don't need a CCK (although DirecTV may require you to buy one). Even if you have an HR34, if it isn't convenient to run an Ethernet cable to it, you may want a CCK.
     
  14. harsh

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    So other than to overcome dain bramage in the order entry process, a CCK is NOT necessary.

    Obviously, there could be situations were it might be expedient to use a CCK (if the HMC wes far away from Ethernet). I suspect that this is fast becoming the exception given the number of LAN connected home theater devices these days: streamers/media players, AVRs, gaming consoles, Blu-ray players, TVs).
     
  15. Diana C

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    I'd say that is correct. A CCK (wired or wireless) is purely an Ethernet bridge that converts the "standard" home Ethernet (unshielded twisted pair) to the "special" Ethernet used by DirecTV (piggybacked on the coax). It's only purpose is to allow the DirecTV DVRs access to the local LAN (and the Internet by extension) without the need to wire each receiver to the network separately.

    The DirecTV ordering systems simply have a rule that says every HR34 must be connected via coax and bridged to the local network/Internet.
     
  16. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    It is not a technical necessity but DIRECTV policy now requires installation of a CCK by all home service techs during the initial install, or they don't get full payment.

    This is to ensure that install techs are giving the best possible service to the customer.

    Brain damage does not enter into it.

    My advice is to let the tech install the CCK and then unplug it, putting a terminator on the exposed cable.
     

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