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Clinton seeks 'Grand Theft Auto' probe

Discussion in 'The OT' started by mainedish, Jul 14, 2005.

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  1. Jul 16, 2005 #61 of 114
    mainedish

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    Real Men throw from the top of the mound.
     
  2. Jul 16, 2005 #62 of 114
    SAEMike

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    You'd actually be wrong. I am pretty sympathetic to the idea of controlling these games a little. I think that it should be very hard for children to buy these games, and I'd even be somewhat supportive of not allowing parents to buy these games for their children. However, I do believe that adults should have free access to purchase and play these games.
     
  3. Jul 16, 2005 #63 of 114
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    What difference does it make? 10 year old Little Johnny can ask his mommy to buy GTA: San Andres and she can say no until she's blue in the face, but all he needs is internet access and Kazaa or Bit Torrent or if worse comes to worse a friend with the game and a burner.

    BTW, thanks for the reminder, I haven't played GTA in a while, it's installing now. :)

    Little trivia, on the GTA3 soundtrack, the faux radio station Flashback 96, features 3 songs performed by EG Daily, the voice of Tommy Pickles on the Rugrats. Don't let your kids watch Rugrats, bad influence :lol:
     
  4. Jul 16, 2005 #64 of 114
    SAEMike

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    10 year old little Johnny's parents should be monitoring his internet usage as well. We cannot stop kids from drinking or doing drugs either, but that does not mean we do not try. We can certaintly limit their access to these types of things.
     
  5. Jul 16, 2005 #65 of 114
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    Then I'm not a "real man" according to your definition. I've torn my rotator cuff twice, and can't throw worth a damn. I'm worthless in a snowball fight. I still can do OK batting and catching, but I need a designated thrower. But I hope the people who know me judge me on other things than how far and accurately I can throw a ball these days.
     
  6. Jul 16, 2005 #66 of 114
    Bogy

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    Then remember that Senator Clinton has been speaking out on this topic since before she was elected. This is no recent move on her part.

    Also remember that the issue here is whether the game was given the wrong rating in the first place because of content on the disc.
     
  7. Jul 16, 2005 #67 of 114
    mainedish

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    Are you saying Kerry has some kind of injury so he could not throw from the top of the mound? They had no problem showing him riding a bike or windsurfing. This was the idea of the Kerry camp to do this. Face it, It was a major embarrassment for the Kerry Camp. That and the boos. When you do something like throw a first pitch you better be sure you can at least throw it from the top of the mound. This was a photo opportunity and if anyone thought that the viewers would not judge his throw they would be wrong. This was Kerry trying to show he was a mans man like when they showed him hunting.
    And yes, Real Men pitch from the mound . Even if it does not make it to the plate. In Kerry's case it still didn't from the bottom of the mound. Looks more like Kerry never played the game . He must have at least the President throw.
     
  8. Jul 16, 2005 #68 of 114
    Geronimo

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    Mainedish I have to think that you are kidding with most of this stuff.

    Most of choose what candidate we will vote for based on how their stated programs fit in with our own vison of what is best for the country. Now there is alot of room for interpretation there. Reasonable people can differ on what the right ansewer is to any question and even on waht the right questions are. But most of us choose our candidates based on their politics and what pitchers we admire based on how well they throw not who they vote for.

    But maybe that's just me. Maybe more people care about how their politicians throw and how their pitchers vote than I know.
     
  9. Jul 16, 2005 #69 of 114
    mainedish

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    It was a photo op. Kerry did this not so much for the fans at the game but for his campaign. It would be shown on the news networks saying Kerry can throw a ball over the plate just the President. When you look at it for what they wanted out of it is was a mistake for him to do it. When you run for office you throw out the first pitch, kiss the babies, etc. Can you imagine if Kerry went to a NASCAR race and dropped the flag on the race track while he was waving it? They do these things for a reason. And they either work or they don't . I'm sure they all stood around after the pitch hit the ground and said "Wow, That was great!!
    If he had shown a perfect strike you would have seen it for days on tv and even in a Political ad. But it failed.
    For the record during the cubs game today a woman threw out the first pitch and she went to the top of the mound. So , I rest my case.
     
  10. Jul 16, 2005 #70 of 114
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    You must be kidding. I don't think John McCain could "get it across the plate from the top of the mound" because of injuries he suffered as a POW at the same time the President was helping a Senate campaign in Alabama. I think McCain would make a better President than the current one and it has nothing to do with how well he can throw a baseball. I'll admit I admire President Bush for not watching reality TV, I don't either and I don't think he's out of touch because of that.

    You're either kidding about this stuff or you must be the kid in the picture with Hannity.
     
  11. Jul 16, 2005 #71 of 114
    mainedish

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    Ah. John McCain threw out the first pitch at a Diamondbacks game 3 years ago. Yes he was on the mound . It was a high strike. Try again.

    Your all missing the point. President Bush did not just become a NASCAR fan or a baseball fan. We knew this from the start. He never lied about what he liked. John Kerry did. I don't know if they did a poll or what. Just like when he showed up at the fast food joint. He went inside and ordered food and later ate catered food on his bus. He was a pure bull politician
     
  12. Jul 16, 2005 #72 of 114
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    No, I don't listen to either Franken or Moore. As to whether Ms. Clinton has benefitted the state, you need to look at her record. She and other Democrats, along with our Republican governor, have lobbied strongly for many causes that will help the state's economy. I certainly don't favor her running for president. I'd rather she continue as the junior senator here. She has proven to be a better senator than Al Damato, and certainly better than many of the others who have run as Democrat candidates. She also was a better candidate than her Republican opponent from Long Island.
    I grew up in a Republican family in Chicago, which was and still is a Democratic stronghold. For many years, I voted straight Republican. Now, I prefer to look beyond party labels when entering the voting booth. I do a fair amount of research, which does not include listening to the spin doctors from either side of the aisle. There are good people on both sides of the aisle in both the Senate and House, and to categorize all Republicans or all Democrats as being despicable is the height of ignorance.
    Given a choice of Rudy G or Hillary for president, I don't know at present just who I'd vote for. If it were John McCain vs. Hillary, I'd go for McCain in a heartbeat. I have felt all along that he would have been the better president to succed W. Clinton.
    The last presidential election was easily won by Bush and understandably so. First, he was the incumbent, and it's hard to defeat one with a weak candidate. Kerry was a weak candidate. Edwards would have been a better choice for the Dems. Secondly, as has been stated in many threads hereabouts, Bush's stand against abortion won him a lot of crossover votes.
    The combination of the two won him the election.

    Sorry if I've rambled here, but I'm older than dirt, and remember the Truman years, the Eisenhower years, the Nixon years, Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, etc... you get the drift. Of that group, Carter was the most honorable, but also the weakest president, and he only lasted one term. I'll not bother to categorize the rest.

    Oh, yes -- I really like NASCAR, but am not a Jeff Gordon or Dale jr. fan, think baseball is boring, admire the Spurs, am a Knicks fan (hoping they'll have a rebirth), like the NY Giants, dislike the Cowboys.

    For the record, Ms. Clinton has been a strong advocate of family all her adult life. And she isn't really from Arkansas, She's originally from the Chicago area. See this link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/hc42.html
     
  13. Jul 17, 2005 #73 of 114
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    OK, Randy Johnson should be President, you win.
     
  14. Jul 17, 2005 #74 of 114
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    So, you actually agree with Senator Clinton on this issue. Why can't you just come out and say that?:shrug: Or is it your contention It is really amazing to me that everytime a Democrat does something..., ...there must be an evil and selfish motive, and they must be lying.

    Frankly I'm not opposed to reasonable prohibitions myself on violent or sexually oriented video games, or films, publications, music, etc. to keep them from the young and impressionable. My concerns are more weighted towards the violent aspects although I understand and tentatively accept the arguments for restricting sexual content also. IMO, violence is much more damaging and destructive. Nearly all of us will eventually participate in sexual acts, if nothing else to perpetuate the species. Hopefully far fewer of us, ideally none, will become regular participants in violent acts.

    That said, as long as there is violent and sexual content out there, "children" will try to access it, often going to great lengths. Without strictly eliminating all of it(an impossibility in itself), it is impossible to prevent them 100%. Rating restrictions should be enforced. I used to sell video games and would NOT sell games to kids if the rating was "M". And believe me, there was no "authority" there to prevent me. Sadly, almost every time, they returned with a parent to buy it for them.:nono2:

    In general, I think the effects of violent and sexual media is overblown. Most of us are exposed to it to some degree in childhood and most of us don't become child molestors, rapists or merderers.

    Most of this is "feel-good", designed to give the impression of doing something noble and worthy without actually doing much of substance at all. And often it has unintended consequences, restricting the rights of others with for instance, making if more difficult for adults to access this media.
     
  15. Jul 18, 2005 #75 of 114
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    What happened to being "pro-choice"? Oh, that's right. Just like so many others, she's only pro-choice when it comes to ramming a sharp object into the base of your child's skull and sucking their brains out, not when it comes to any other areas of life, including one's choice of entertainment. Doesn't she have anything better to do? If someone wants to play that worthless piece of crap GTA, why is it her business?
     
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    I wonder how much free publicity this game is now getting because of this. Both Republicans and Democrats should leave it alone.

    I'm sure Hillary has Bill "researching the game"
     
  17. Jul 21, 2005 #77 of 114
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    I can't believe that they pulled the Playstation and X-Box versions off of the shelves, as far as I understand you could only see the "Hot Coffee" version on the PC... It doesn't make seance. Furthermore, why aren't the HORRIBLE parents that allowed their kids to play this game falling under scrutiny?
     
  18. Jul 21, 2005 #78 of 114
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    Because, sorry this is not political banter but fact based upon past behaviors, the democrats are NOT about personal responsibility but taking responsibility away from individuals ESPECIALLY parents and giving it to the government and the republicans don't have the backbone God gave them to stand up to the liberal crap like this!
     
  19. Jul 21, 2005 #79 of 114
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    Not quite. There sia download that adds this (or unlocks it depending on who you speak to) on the PC game. In the case of the other platforms the mod is activated using a "Cheat device" and codes. The codes are circulated on the net. This has led many to believe that the "mini game" was placed tehre intentionally by the games creator's to skirt the ratings. I will not calim to know enough about game programming to say whether that isa reasonable assumption. But the subject sequence is on the Playstation and Xbox versions.
     
  20. Jul 21, 2005 #80 of 114
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    Thanks,

    Anyone know where I can still pick up a copy? :D
     
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