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Discussion in 'The OT' started by jonstad, Jun 18, 2004.
Really? Where? When?
Really? Got any proof of that besides your own twisted rhetoric?
If God is, as you say, "all about judgement and justice." Why did He send His Son to die on the cross? If it's all about judgement and justice, why not just say, "the lot of 'em are a bunch of sinners, have fun with 'em Satan?" The fact of the matter is it's about love and dependance upon God. That's why the Jews roamed the desert for 40 years (when should have taken about a week), that's why Joshua marched around Jerico for 7 days, that's why He sent Christ to die on the cross; so we would be dependant upon Him.
Do yourself a favor. Go spend some time at a mainstream church, Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist, even Assemblies of God, and get in touch with the real Father.
As reported on MSNBC June 17 . I have already posted that it takes 1 or 2 days for it to show up so you can read it.
He also said that the September 11 hijacking victims were cowards and he suggested that if the passengers had been black, there wouldn’t have been a September 11.
Here is a showcase for his intelligence, after 9-11, he wrote, "If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who did not vote for them! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes destination in California - these were places that voted against bush! Why kill them?" The last sentence is the one that really gets to me, "Why kill them?" Does that mean murdering innocent Conservatives is okay for a nonexistent reason. Well here's a news flash: when they planned this attack, Bush wasn't President, not even Bush Sr. was! So I would HIGHLY doubt that what went through the terrorist's minds (if you are a terrorist and know otherwise, you are welcome to tell me) is "Yeah I know that in 2000 that Bush is going to become president and I don't like this! I am going to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center to get back at him, even though New York, DC, Boston, and California is generally more leaning to the Democrats." No, I find it more likely to think that they were thinking "I hate America, so I am going to strike against well known targets, like the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and then so I can get the most damage, I will take over a cross country flight, such as Boston to California so that there is more fuel to explode on contact." But like I said if you happen to be a terrorist and know otherwise, I would like to know.
I'm saying theres differences in the bible between jesus preachings and god words.The old testament is gods words.The new testament is jesus words.I think in humanity isn't as nice jesus is so therefor use the old testament for handling arabs today.Arabs are not decent people.They dont have any feelings when they commit terrable acts towards the innocent. Do you think dogs have feelings when they bite you plus they dont have a reason dont they? Or,Do you think cats have feelings when they scratch you plus they dont have a reason dont they? Or, Do you think apes have feelings when they attack you plus they dont have a reason dont they? These arabs are animals just like sean hannity said on fox news yesterday. I call for all boycotts against arabic businesses. If the resterant is owned by arabs DO NOT EAT THERE! Or if the hotel is owned by arabs DO NOT SLEEP THERE! If a cab pulls over and picks you up take a look at the driver if hes arabic slam the door and say to him NO THANKS ILL TAKE ANOTHER CAB. And that way if that driver doesn't get passengers what you think the boss will do? They will have to fire him. So lets all take a stand and fight for whats right!
Steve, are you a Jew? You certainly aren't a follower of Jesus. A Christian is not supposed to pick and choose the times he wants to follow Jesus and the times he doesn't.
As far as your statements that Arabs as a whole are somehow subhuman, to be equated with dogs and cats, neither God or Jesus has much good to say about you and your future.
Im not jewish and im 100% Pro american. I stand up for freedom and independance. I was rejected from military service because i dont have enough hearing. My hearing level is 87 you need a 92+ to be accepted.
I wanted to fight over in iraq and afgainistan in fact i tried to sign up my nearest USMC recruting station. The reason i wanted to go in military service because 60% of my family served in the military.My grandfather was in WWII he was in the army fighting in the battle of the budge. My 3 Uncles were in WWII and Korean War my oldest uncle was in the navy sub service fighting the japs sinking their ships. My other 2 uncles were in the USAF in US base in bitburg germany in the korean war. My dad was also in bitburg germany with his brothers. My 2 cousins fought in in the USMC during the vietnam war and 1 died and none wanted to serve in the gulf war. So i decided to step up try to keep my family tradition going. Im one of the few republicans in my family and most of them are liberals doesnt know a god damn thing about importance on serving for freedom.So i failed my physical so the tradition died.
But who knows what my nephews would stand. Im gonna teach them liberalism is wrong and fighting for your country is more importaint then do nothing.
Just thought you might be Jewish, since you like the Jewish scripture much better than the Christian scripture. BTW, being an American has nothing to do with being a Christian.
Being an american knows whats right and whats wrong.
Just curious, have you ever taken off your rose tinted glasses and been out of this country? The rest of the world isn't nearly as tainted as you would have everyone believe. Most of it is really very nice and filled with friends and allies. But if you are so insular, I somehow doubt you've noticed there are countries other than the USA and those countries you refer to as Arab.
And as for your quote, do you include Timothy McVeigh and the killers from Colombine amongst your classisification as 'american' (which should of course be spelled American)? Because I do not believe any of the above did the right thing. I have no idea whether they were Christian or not, nor should it matter one iota.
But in your own little world, America is right and can apparently do no wrong, as are all Americans. Guess we have no need of a justice system then, or law officials or peace keeping forces like the police since no one will do anything against the law!
Unfortunately it isn't quite like that. There are good Americans and bad Americans, just like there are good folks who come from the Middle East and bad people. Tradition, press, publicity and curiousity always dictates we hear more about the bad than the good.
Personally I couldn't care less whether someone is Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Budhist, athiest or agnostic or anything else - and I will be celebrating Summer Solstice on Monday at sunrise.
Let's just show some sympathy and respect for the families and friends of the three gentlemen who suffered a terrible demise in the hands of terrorists, which is what this thread was supposed to be about in the first place.
Apparently the Christian concept of a triune God. Also called a 3-in-1 God, that The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are all three embodiments of God. The Father's words are The Son's words are The Spirit's words.
As I suspected, Moore did not say what you wrote, not even close. You spin something completely different to make something that wasn't there (in other words: you lie to suit your own twisted agenda).
Again, he did not say any such thing. That you spin his words to make such an erroneous interpretation speaks more to your blind hatred than anything else. You should identify with the terrorists very well since you both do essentially the same thing: justify your actions by demonizing the other side.
No, he is not saying anything about murdering "innocent conservatives". He is basically saying that he does not believe that 9/11 was intended as revenge against Bush, using the example that the people who were killed were demographically non-Bush people. His statement in no way makes the implication that you've manufactured. That is simply more of your spin.
HappyGoLucky, as far as I can tell, the June 17th transcript isn't up yet.
Happy I think that you are looking at the transcipt of the 16th. The 17th is not up yet.
A friend Season Pass's it, so I watched the show while over at his house last evening. As usual, mainedish spins something to suit his own purpose without any regard to truth or context.
I disagree with most of what Steveox says, but I do support his right to express his opinon.
I realize that the mods may have been considering banning Stevox and that some of the regular posters may be even asking the mods to ban him, but I have to say that LET'S support freedom of speech on this issue and allow Stevox to post his views and opinons as much as he wants.
Some people may think that Steveox's views are extreme, but in my opinon his views and opinions are a valuable asset to these forums because like it or not Stevox's opinions represent the views and opinons of perhaps TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
When you support progressive values, freedom of speech, etc, you should support freedom of speech even for those who you totally disagree with.
Goodness Jack, thats one of the scariest things I've seen written in many a day.
I really doubt that there are 10s of millions that think like that. But who knows.
Just out of curiosity what was said. Even Mainsdish usually takes somethign and spins it somehow. There must have been SOMETHING that dealt with the general topic.
The world is a huge place and many people just aren't brutally honest and don't have the chutzpah to say how they truly feel the way Steveox does. For every guy like Steveox who does speak his mind, there are probably dozens of ,or hundreds of people who feel the same way but just don't have the balls to put their thoughts and feelings into words.