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Colder this year?

Discussion in 'The OT' started by smiddy, Dec 3, 2009.

  1. SayWhat?

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    The question is, WHICH truth. There are quite a few different truths in this matter. At least one for almost every position for, against or anywhere in between.
     
  2. Stewart Vernon

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    We need a sequel to Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth"...

    This time it will be called:

    "An Inconsistent Truth"

    :)
     
  3. SayWhat?

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    A Manufactured Truth?
     
  4. wilbur_the_goose

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    Again - yearly variations in one location are not affected by GW.
     
  5. armophob

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    True, there are liars on both sides of the argument. Once again we are back to human nature. But at what point in history to we look up at the sky or down at our feet, in or out of the water, and say to ourselves "we should not be peeing in the pool?". If it takes the fear of extinction to drive this process what has it harmed?
    If the honest scientists who study this stuff, who are not fudging their numbers, are correct in their calculations, then now would be a good time to consider curbing the behaviors of mankind. If we don't, and one side ends up being right and the other wrong, end game for the race. Not condoning the liars, but just taking the truth tellers actual exacting results, is so wrong to try to scare the public into action to err on the side of caution?
     
  6. Lord Vader

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    Therein lies the main problem: scaring the public. This is something these nutjob "scientists" have been doing with their cook-the-book data, and frankly, I'm sick of it. This fear-mongering has got to stop! There is no need for it.

    If you believe Man is such a bad influence on the planet, if you believe Man is this "infection" you so disparately believe it is, then start the vaccination by removing yourself from the planet. After all, this is your logic.

    As for me, I shall continue to flatulate outdoors with nary a worry.
     
  7. sigma1914

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    Exactly...For example, Lord Vader has his "proof" from his ideology his "science" and armophob has his "proof" from his ideology his "science"...both feel they're right, yet in the end no one really knows.
     
  8. Lord Vader

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    The GW alarmists have for years--a mere 30 years after claiming we were on the verge of an ice age, BTW--claimed to have "proof," but last month it was revealed that they lied and manipulated science and made things up just to try and convince the world. Their credibility is gone. The burden of proof had lain on them and they couldn't deliver.

    My "proof" has been verified many times through scientific analysis of the sun and its output. From NASA to NOAA, the sun's energy output and earth's temperature have been inexorably linked, and decades of data have confirmed this. It is disgusting how even the media, in the pocket of the environmentalist nutjobs, have ignored this.
     
  9. sigma1914

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    So, now you believe and trust NASA? The same NASA in trouble for cooking the numbers and has had three Notices of Intent to File Suit against them and its Goddard Institute for Space Studies? Interesting. :lol:
     
  10. Lord Vader

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    NASA has a lot more credibility than a bunch of socialists whose interest was not "global warming," but the destruction of America and the capitalist system. Now that their actual political agenda has been exposed, it's time to ignore them as the charlatans they are.

    NASA's and NOAA's reporting of sunspot activity & corresponding decrease in solar energy is irrefutable but totally ignored. Why? Because the alarmists don't want the truth to be known.
     
  11. sigma1914

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    NASA was part of that "bunch of socialists whose interest was not "global warming," but the destruction of America and the capitalist system. Now that their actual political agenda has been exposed, it's time to ignore them as the charlatans they are."

    Ok, so NASA is correct for you now...but, not when they were part of research you disagreed with? Gotchya! ;) Selective believability.
     
  12. armophob

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    Please do not get me wrong here. I pee on flowers and fart in the wind. I have never recycled, and the only energy savings I participate in is to save my own wallet. I would burn down a mountaintop to build a nice home with a view.
    I know I am only a part of this human virus on the planet and accept my role. I just take advantage of our one difference between the common cold and kudsu, being self aware. We know what we are doing to the planet and we are multiplying at such a rate that we will one day stand next to each other like coke bottles in a rack.
    My point is that without fear, there is no reason for change. That is the human condition. No one is willing to sacrifice without clear and present danger, including me.
     
  13. Lord Vader

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    Sorry to burst your bubble, but NASA is not and was not part of the group of left-wing socialists masquerading as scientists who have for years been lying to the world in order to achieve their political agenda. As an organization, NASA has always been above the fray, even if within them there may their own Al Gores.
     
  14. sigma1914

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    :rolleyes:
    Then, why were they part of this? http://citizen-pamphleteer.blogspot.com/2009/11/devil-is-in-coding.html (from Supramom ;))
     
  15. armophob

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    P.S. I cannot believe you played the "Earth, love it or leave it" card :lol:
     
  16. Lord Vader

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    It is impossible to discuss this rationally with someone who believes humanity is a "virus." I feel sorry for someone who has such a negative, fatalistic outlook on humanity.
     
  17. Cholly

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    :rant: LV, I'm troubled by your assertion that all scientists who believe in Global Warming are socialists and/or liars. Every bit of "history" that you cite has its counterpart. You seem intent on besmirching everyone who doesn't agree with you, much as did Sen. Joe McCarthy back in the 1950's. There are a lot of folks here on the forums who don't accept the idea of Global Warming, but don't resort to insult and innuendo. Argue the point, yes -- but please lighten your tone.

    Regarding your quotes about John Coleman: the man certainly is controversial and has legions of fans and critics. If one Googles Mr. Coleman, there are probably hundreds of articles both agreeing with his opinions and disagreeing with them (I didn't count). One of the articles that debunk Mr. Coleman's stand may be found here: http://ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/myths/john-coleman

    And another: http://www.uscentrist.org/about/issues/environment/john_coleman

    There are scores of people who agree with Mr. Coleman, and probably several times as many who think he's all wet (pun not intended). I don't mention these articles to belittle the man, rather to show that he is opinionated (aren't we all?).

    There's no denying that he's been a TV weatherman longer than most folks around these forums have been alive. He has bounced around quite a bit, and apparently left some of his assignments by mutual agreement. So be it. :rant:
     
  18. phrelin

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    I'm always a little puzzled how anyone can be sure exactly what is going on. Simple logic says you can't burn up as much crap as we do without having some effect on the atmosphere. But the statistics are really getting way out of hand. This month's Harper's Index includes the following: "Factor by which the carbon footprint of a German shepherd exceeds that of a SUV: 3."

    Harper's provides a source reference. In this case it is a book by Robert and Brenda Vale, two architects who specialize in sustainable living at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand. From here:
    I suppose in one sense I'm akin to amophob though I don't accept "virus" as an analogy. I think we're just as natural as anything else. I like the Wikipedia definition of nature:
    Human's and their dogs and cats have been an active part of nature of thousands of years. We do what we do. We don't have to be wasteful though. Humans have a certain reasoning capacity that might allow us to alter our impact within nature. But everything we choose to do or not to do will change something.

    In the meantime, we can fight over who's going to gain power within the global warming agenda. One thing for certain, humans have been fighting over power and control from the beginning. It's human nature.;)
     
  19. armophob

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    It is ironic that back when Darwin first made his observations of evolution and started writing papers on it from the Galápagos Islands, he had no idea that it would become the tourist trap it is today in his name. And all of the wonderful creatures he drew would be dying and endangered by the footsteps and feces of mankind overrunning the islands.

    Maybe virus is a strong description. Virus-like maybe?

    If you need any more proof then I suggest a visit here.
     
  20. Stewart Vernon

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    If you want to go negative on humanity... I believe we are less like virii, and more like parasites.
     

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