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Comcast ISP - blocking traffic

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by thumperr, Oct 19, 2007.

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  1. oakwcj

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    Let's say my friendly telecom decided it needed to "protect" me from receiving "bad" political phone calls from commie outfits like the ACLU. I might say that this "protection" violates the First Amendment, but the friendly telecom would say if we're prohibited from blocking calls based on content, how can we protect you from telemarketers. The difference between the do not call list, which has worked reasonably well, and the anti-spam laws, which haven't, is that one is much easier to enforce. That has nothing whatever to do with letting a public utility decide that it's free to block content for whatever noble or base reason it might have. And, no, anti-spam laws weren't passed just because the spam is a pain in the ass for the telecom industry. Everyone hates spam. Yes, some laws are hard to enforce. That doesn't mean it isn't worth trying. Some spammers are, in fact, serving time.

    Let me remind you that these friendly telecom companies are the very same people who have turned over private phone records to the government without warrants, in express violation of FISA, and who are now demanding -- and almost certain to receive -- retroactive immunity for their unlawful actions, even after a federal judge has made a finding that no reasonable phone company could have had a good faith belief that what they were doing was legal.
     
  2. DarkAudit

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    Blizzard uses torrents to ease the burden on users when they send out WoW patches. That is a legitimate commercial use. Blocking that on a whim is restraint of trade.

    Comcast's spoofing is fraud. It doesn't matter what the traffic is, it's still fraud on Comcast's part. You cannot defend their actions if what Comcast is doing is a crime in and of itself. Two wrongs do not make a right.
     
  3. oakwcj

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    Perhaps, but if the spammers weren't making money, there wouldn't be any spam. If you're old enough to remember the Pogo comic strip: "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Anyway, Mr. Bob's original "argument" was that NN would make it impossible for the noble ISPs to fight spam. What you and others are saying is that they have a financial interest in abetting spam. To the extent that is true, the original "argument" appears even more bogus.
     
  4. wavemaster

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    Add to that that the only filtering we do is "user optional". You can get it all of you choose as well as stop 90% of it.
     
  5. SteveEJ

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    I currently have HughesNet which was formerly known as DirecWay. I knew nothing about FAP until I was hit by it.. All for getting updates on a XP system I just built. Their FAP is another story..

    Where I see the issue is the altering of packet data. Think about it.. Anything Could be altered. Now a RST but what later? Throttling back a connection is one thing, creating FALSE packets brings about a whole new legal challenge! ie: 'Your honor, we can prove that the internet DATA packet MAY HAVE been altered by my clients ISP'..

    JMHO..

    SteveEJ


     
  6. longrider

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    That is shocking, I had Direcway when I first moved (11/03) and never bumped into the FAP limits. It sounds like it has gotten real bad, I guess I'm glad I switched to WiMax a year later...

    Regarding spam, here is a one day snapshot from a filtering appliance, this day is not in any way exceptional:

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  8. Paul Secic

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    Comcast wants your VOD $$$$$$$$$S
     
  9. tuff bob

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    if its fraud, charge them with fraud. simple. don't start making up another law to make something that's illegal, illegal.
     
  10. aramus8

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    It just baffles me that internet providers don't have a way to access your usage figures. I remember Prodigy kept a running total you could easily view anytime as far back as 1995 and I checked it all the time. I would think the software to do that would have been improved upon by now. Since Prodigy was swallowed up by Southwest Bell several years ago, does anybody with Southwest Bell still have access to their usage figures? I'm thinking maybe Prodigy had some kind of patent since I haven't had an ISP that let you access usage since I left them.
     
  11. Ken S

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    They all have it and/or can do it if they want. They've got logs on every site you go to and every file you download. That's all really basic stuff. Why they don't make it available? Probably a variety of reasons including not that many people care.
     
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    When the story moves from specialized websites to the AP newswires, you have now "made the news," big time. There will be a lot of "splainin' " to do tomorrow....
     
  14. jjohns

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    I suspect the majority of users are glad the ISP's are regulating upload and download use. When the ISP's (not just Comcast I might add) are given the opportunity to begin publicly explaining that it is necessary because a minority of heavy users are causing normal users' access to crawl, most reasonable thinking persons will understand. It is not a complex concept.
     
  15. MikeR

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    When will this begin?
     
  18. jjohns

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    To quote the poster I was responding to, "When the story moves from specialized websites to the AP newswires, you have now "made the news," big time.",
    I guess..
     
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