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Comcast Philadelphia

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by valleygreen22, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. Aug 9, 2013 #2281 of 2405
    Grafixguy

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    SMH

    Have it your way.
     
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    Shake your head all you want, but I cannot find anything that does not back me up. They delivered the signal to Fios via microwave, keeping it off satellite. You do realize that Fios has CSN Philly as far back as 2005 or 2006? The loophole was not "closed" (CSN Philly getting an exception) until 2010.

    What Verizon challenged Cablevision on was violating the part of the law that says they have to offer it to competitors, not the actual satellite portion of the law. That channel is and was on satellite, so it was not the satellite loophole they used. In short, Cablevision just plain refused to sell the channel to Verizon and the FCC said they had to BEFORE the loophole was closed. The challenge was on the basis of the same law but not on the satellite loophole portion of the law. I cannot find anything that Cablevision claimed the loophole. Instead, they just said that forcing them to sell the channel to Fios would hurt their competitive stance, claiming the channel was their intellectual property.

    I am happy to be proven wrong, if I am. Explain it to me if I am.
     
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    I just did. It does not spell out your case. It is a sideways reference. I found a ton of stuff, including statements from cablevision that did not rely on any loophole in the law. Cablevision basically just stated that they owned the channel and could do what they wanted. Hell, they even treated the SD and HD versions as different channels. I'm not going to post the 20+ articles and statements I found that explained that cablevision was not relying on the loophole portion of the law at all. They violated the law as it stood prior to 2010 before the loophole was closed.
     
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    I will second you: the loophole had NOTHING to do with what Cablevision was doing concerning the loophole. As you also said, they treated the SD and HD as though they were seperate channels. Cablevision flat out refused to share the channel.
     
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    Verizon had the SD channel, but Cablevision wouldn't give them the HD channel, thats what it was about.
     
  7. Grafixguy

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    VZ filed a complaint with the FCC over all of the Rainbow programming (that included AMC, the MSG networks, and FSN New England). Once that complaint was filed, a deal was struck pretty quickly for everything but MSG HD and MSG+HD, but the HD feeds of all other channels were included.

    Why wasn't the MSG and MSG+ feeds included? Because they were distributed terrestrially and therefore CVC was not obligated to provide them. That's when the fighting to kill the loophole began and once it was, a new programming access complaint filed.

    http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/106610-Verizon_Rainbow_Strike_Sports_Net_Deal.php

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    One more link and then I think I we're going to have to agree to disagree:

    The decisions follow the FCC's move to close the so-called terrestrial loophole/exemption that had prevented access complaints against withholding of affiliated terrestrially-delivered networks.

    from: http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/474265-FCC_Cablevision_MSG_Network_Violated_Program_Access_Rules.php
     
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    Sorry. MSG was already on satellite. It was on Directv.

    Anyway, your misinterpretation of the law and anyone else's doesn't make it right. The FCC told cable vision they were wrong before the loophole closed. Comcast understood the law properly. You don't.
     
  9. Grafixguy

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    DirecTV has zero to do with this. MSGHD on DirecTV doesn't mean the channel was distributed by the owner that way.

    The fact that you think it does proves that it is you that has no understanding of the laws. I'm done. Have the last word if you must.
     
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    As I recall, the way the FCC closed the loophole was by reinterpreting the law (and their reinterpretation was upheld in court). You could argue, therefore, that the FCC was not interpreting the law correctly then, or that they (and the courts) are misinterpreting the law now. The law itself did not change.

    If we're going to argue about what the law actually means, we aren't going to get anywhere. All I know is that the loophole prevented DirecTV from getting CSN Philly, prevented FIOS from getting MSG HD, and prevented DirecTV and AT&T U-Verse from getting SD4 (Padres). The Padres issue was resolved when they switched to Fox for their TV coverage, while the MSG HD issue was resolved through the FCC's change in interpreting the law and after a number of court challenges. That leaves CSN Philly as the only remaining issue of the three that were caused by the loophole.
     
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    As I recall, the way the FCC closed the loophole was by reinterpreting the law (and their reinterpretation was upheld in court). You could argue, therefore, that the FCC was not interpreting the law correctly then, or that they (and the courts) are misinterpreting the law now. The law itself did not change.

    If we're going to argue about what the law actually means, we aren't going to get anywhere. All I know is that the loophole prevented DirecTV from getting CSN Philly, prevented FIOS from getting MSG HD, and prevented DirecTV and AT&T U-Verse from getting SD4 (Padres). The Padres issue was resolved when they switched to Fox for their TV coverage, while the MSG HD issue was resolved through the FCC's change in interpreting the law and after a number of court challenges. That leaves CSN Philly as the only remaining issue of the three that were caused by the loophole.



    No, it did not prevent fios from getting anything. That is what I am arguing. The FCC told cable vision to offer the channel to fios well before they closed the loophole.

    As for the enforcement. The closing of the loophole was because it was up to the FCC to determine what the law meant.
     
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    DirecTV has zero to do with this. MSGHD on DirecTV doesn't mean the channel was distributed by the owner that way.

    The fact that you think it does proves that it is you that has no understanding of the laws. I'm done. Have the last word if you must.


    Sure it does. If they put anything on satellite, they lost the loophole portion of the law.

    It is not my interpretation. It is the data I found on the Internet from the time before the loophole was closed. Imagine whatever you want but the reports are all the same. And cable visions claim of IP (not loophole) is well established.
     
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    D* gets MSG via fiber, not satellite.

    I think Cablevision didn't want to give FIOS the HD feed because they felt FIOS was more of a threat over D* because satellite dishes can't be put up everywhere in NY city.
     
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    And once again the loophole has zero to do with csn Philly bein on DIRECTV and hasn't had anything to do with it for many years. Money is the reason. And always will be.
     
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    And once again the loophole has zero to do with csn Philly bein on DIRECTV and hasn't had anything to do with it for many years. Money is the reason. And always will be.


    Yes. It no longer applies.
     
  16. wilbur_the_goose

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    Your arguments, other than post 2294 are all completely moot.
     
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    Thy may be. But you can still discuss history. The cause of the Civil War is moot. Yet it is analyzed and discussed all the time. CSN Philly ain't coming on directv any time soon, so who the hell cares what we talk about in the CSN Philly thread as long as it is about CSN Philly?
     
  18. wilbur_the_goose

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    Yep - I've had VZ FiOS internet for years, and for the fun of it, I checked to see how much adding TV would cost. $7.99 per month.

    Had it installed this morning. Took 30 minutes, and I have CSN-Philly for the first time since the 1990's (under a different name then, of course).

    If you have FiOS internet, it may be worth exploring.

    By the way, the VZ guide is stunningly beautiful compared to D*. But it's not as functional.
     
  19. JoeTheDragon

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    what about TCN HD on fios?
     
  20. wilbur_the_goose

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    Nope
     

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