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Considering Dropping Dish, What will I lose?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by geoff, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. mdavej

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    You can use EHDs with DirecTV as well. If you're concerned about your current recordings, then watch them or archive to DVD or your PC before you switch. My main concern about switching to DirecTV would be the loss of 30 HD nationals. You'll also pay more for your 3 room setup (I assume) with D* ($7 for room 3 versus $6 for room 2 + $6 for room 3 + the cost of receiver 3). MRV is another $3.
     
  2. James Long

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    EHDs work differently on DirecTV ... connecting an external drive replaces the internal drive and takes all the timers with it. It isn't a situation where one can have a collection of external drives that can be swapped out without problems.
     
  3. peano

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    DIRECTV has better HD PQ and sports and thats it.

    Dish has better receivers (by far) and many more national HD channels.
     
  4. mashandhogan

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    To tealcomp: Just order a HR24 from SolidSignal.....call and see if d* will allow you an equipment upgrade and credit you the $200 cost of the hr24
     
  5. mashandhogan

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    Woa, you have your fees all messed up. Each additional reciever cost $6/month (as of 2/18) You get your first one free. Dvr service is $7, MRV is $3, and HD is $10 (you can work around to get a credit).
     
  6. desertman

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    How do you do that? Does the 722k have four tuners while the 722 has only two?
     
  7. RAD

    RAD Well-Known Member

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    Both need an ATSC/OTA tuner module added to allow two DBS and two ATSC/OTA recordings to allow for four concurrent recordings.
     
  8. lparsons21

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    Slightly incorrect... :)

    The 722k does need an OTA module, which gives you 2 OTA tuners which added with the 2 SAT tuners, gives the capability of 4 recordings at once.

    The 722 comes with a single tuner OTA built-in, so you can record 3 events at once.

    This is one of the reasons that D* isn't really a consideration for me, even though they keep making some great offers to 'come back'. In order to be able to record 4 events at once at my main viewing area, I would need 2 HDDVRs from D* to replace my 722k at that spot. I would need a total of 3 HDDVRs from them, and that would make the upfront cost eat up any potential subscription savings.

    The other reason to not go back is that D* is missing too many national HD channels that I watch fairly regularly.
     
  9. mdavej

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    :confused: I'm not seeing any difference from my post. Three rooms is still $7 with Dish versus $12 with DirecTV. HD and DVR service fees are a wash. MRV is optional.

    Even if you disagree with my numbers, the point is, small systems are cheaper with Dish (2 or 3 rooms). Big ones are cheaper with DirecTV (more than 3 rooms).
     
  10. desertman

    desertman New Member

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    Hello guys,

    This is a very interesting thread for me since I am also considering to switch from DishNetwork to DirectTV. Reading through this thread I get the impression that most people think that DirectTV has the better HD quality and that DishNetwork has by far the superior DVR (I have the ViP722) - is that correct?

    I had DishAbsolute so far and now have been switched to AT200 (with HD free for life, with HD Platinum free for one year, with a $10 discount for one year). That means in dollars:

    $671.88 for the first year ($55.99 x 12)
    $791.88 for the second year ($65.99 x 12; no HD Platinum)
    Totals:
    $1463.76 for the next two years ($60.99 x 24)

    If I switch now to DirectTV I would go with the "Choice Xtra" package and that would look in dollars right now (until Feb 09) like this:

    $443.88 for the first year ($36.99 x 12)
    $683.88 for the second year ($56.99 x 12)
    -$100.00 referral discount
    -$180.00 Costco discount
    Totals:
    $847.76 for the next two years ($35.32 x 24)

    Does my calculation look correct? Seems like a huge difference and worth to consider to switch to me.

    I know I would lose some channels (and get some others) - that is ok for me. However, I'm wondering wether I miss anything else that someone here can see. As far as the DVR's go - is the DirectTV DVR really bad or just not as good as the ViP722? The main thing for me is that I want to be able to record two shows simultaneously and that seems to be able with both, right?

    Thanks for your input!
     
  11. lparsons21

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    It seems your numbers are right, and I'm assuming you just have one HDDVR now and with D*?

    Any HDDVR from D* prior to the HR24 is pig slow. For me that was the deal killer when I had D*. And the biggest problem was that with each passing update to the software, they got slower. Totally irritating!

    The HR24s that I have seen are about the same speed of operation as the Vip722 and 722k. But if you order from them online, you get whatever is on the truck, just like E*. You don't get to pick. The only way to ensure you get the HR24 is to order from a local retailer and I don't think you can get all those discounts that way. If you do switch and don't get an HR24, you'll be very irritated at minimum, imo.
     
  12. RAD

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    As a DIRECTV customer I'll try to answer from that front.

    Yes, all DIRECTV HD DVR's can record two simultaneous channels, be it two DBS, two OTA via the AM21 add on, or one DBS and one OTA. The only exception is that you can also download a recording via DIRECTV on DEMAND in addition to those two recordings.

    Some other things DIRECT receiver's can't do compared to Dish AFAIK:

    - Yes, DIRECTV HR21/22/23 receivers are slow compared to Dish receivers for user interface functions. The HR20 is faster then those models and from some reports I've seen from recent Dish to DIRECTV switchers is that the HR24's come very close or match the 722's in UI speed.
    - Yes you can use an external harddrive, it's a eSATA vs USB with Dish. However it's married to the receiver you connect it to, you can't move it to another receiver or try to rip the recordings via a PC. Also the external drive totally replaces the internal drive, it's not a combination of the two.
    - No DIRECTV receivers currently available to not have PIP nor can they drive a second SD TV via the TV2 output on Dish receivers.

    But then there are some things that DIRECTV does do that Dish doesn't:

    - Whole Home DVR (aka Multi Room Viewing). A HD DVR can stream recordings to another HD DVR or HD receiver if you order the WHDVR feature when you get installed. This also helps improve the odds that you'll get 24 series receivers. And to clearing, each HD DVR can stream only one stream at a time. Also HD recevers don't have the capability to pause/rew/ff etc 'live' content but can if viewing a recording from a HD DVR via WHDVR.
    - DIRECTV2PC, if your PC has the proper hardware you can view recordings on your PC when on your local network (you can't use for remote viewing). The content is streamed to your PC without any modification/downrezzing so your PC needs to be fairly robust in CPU and graphics capability. Software is free to download. If you need a Sling capability you can add a Sling box to a receiver and basically get what you can with Dish. Also when used on a WHDVR environment you can view recorded content from any HD DVR that's on your network, not just the one receiver that the Sling box is connected to like on Dish.
    - TVApps, see http://tvapps.directv.com/index.do to see what they are and what apps are available and are free to use.
    - The Weather Channel "Locals on the 8's", you get a local forcast for your zip code vs. the national weather info. Not as good as what cable customers get but better then the generic national. And if you're tuned to TWC and a weather warning is issued for your zip code you'll get an audiable warning and popup informing you of the warning and how to get more info.
    - 3D channels/support, except for the HR20 and H20 receivers, all the other HD receivers can access the 3D channels currently available, no extra charge. IIRC currently with Dish you need a 922 to get the 3D PPV's available.
    - 90 minute buffer for current channel.
    - Scoreguide, when on a 'sports' channel you can press the RED button on the remote to get access to various scores and stats of other games in progress.

    That's a couple things off the top of my head. One thing I do like about what DIRECTV has done with their receivers is that they keep adding new functionality to all the receivers, the HR20 can do all the same things the HR24 can do. When they do come out with something that can't be ported, like 3D support on the 20's DIRECTV will do a swap out for you to get you a box that does have the function if you need it, no charge (but new commitment).

    The way I look at the hardware is that both Dish and DIRECTV had good receivers, just that they have different feature sets/capabilities, which some folks think are better then the other. Kind of like when comparing the HD channels each carries, some like Dish's selection better while other prefer DIRECTV's. Hope that helps.
     
  13. desertman

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    In the moment I have only one DVR and one TV. But in a couple of months I need anyway a second receiver since someone is moving in with me. I kind of guess that makes the same surcharge for DishNetwork and DirecTV (and therefore did not put it into my calculation). Would I not get for sure a HR24 from DirecTV if I order Whole-Home DVR service and a second DVR right from the beginning?
     
  14. RAD

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    WHDVR on the initial order greatly improves the odds of getting HR24's. What I recommend is when the install techs calls to give you the window for when they'd be there ask if they have 24's for the install, and if not say you want to reschedule for when they do (much better to do it then vs. when they show up at your home). Also go for two HD DVRs off the bat, it will cost you $100 more on startup but you'll like having the two extra tuners there to help avoid any recording conflicts.
     
  15. lparsons21

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    I'll second what RAD said about ordering a 2nd unit on the initial order, it will save some money.

    For either D* or E*, it really is important to think about current and near future needs when ordering equipment because it is almost always more expensive to add later.
     
  16. lparsons21

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    I'll address just these two items.

    Yes you can use an external HD and it does just what you have said. What wasn't said was that if the unit it is married to needs replaced, all the recordings are lost. Frankly I've never agreed that this way of using an external HD was the smartest move on D*'s part and am a bit surprised that they chose this way.

    And yes, there is 3D. But it is very problematic if you read in the D* forums here. Lots of people having issues with it working on their 3D tv, especially if there is an A/V receiver in the mix. At this point in time, and only my opinion, I don't think that 3D should be a big part of the decision as there are all the usual new technology issues going on.
     
  17. inazsully

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    I'm pretty certain that if you currently have a EHD connected to a "E" receiver you will not be able to use it with a "D" receiver because the "D" receivers utilize a eSATA connection and "E" receivers utilize a USB connection. As far as I know eSATA to USB cables do not exist.
     
  18. RAD

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    I did say that However it's married to the receiver you connect it to, you can't move it to another receiver or try to rip the recordings via a PC.



    Of course you're going to see posts from people that are having problems, the ones that aren't are watching 3D;) . DIRECTV has posted a list of TV's that they've said will work without any problems with 3D programming, you get a TV from that list it works. They've also said that you should run the HDMI output from the receiver directly to the TV, if you go through an AVR and it works fine but if not the bypass the AVR. When looking for a new AVR I tried a few out and Pioneer's just didn't work, they would report to the HR2X's that the TV supported only 1080i which blocked ESPN 3D from working. Folks have reported that Pioneer is saying they know what the problem is and will fix it in the 2011 models but for 2010 your SOL.

    I have two 3D TV's, both on DIRECTV's list and both work just fine. One even goes through an AVR and it also works fine. So I'm able to view 3D programming now and not have to wait for Dish to determine when I'd want to watch it. At least with DIRECTV you know if you get the hardware now they will work with 3D, can you say that what you have now with Dish wouldn't without being replaced (unless you have a 922).

    BTW, the new Discovery/Sony/IMAX 3D channel appears to be up in test mode on DIRECTV according to the latest transponder report.
     
  19. lparsons21

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    No, but quite a few of the eSATA drives have both eSATA and USB connections on them.
     
  20. lparsons21

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    RAD,

    Yes you did say that about the external HD, but I didn't think it was clear enough. :)

    As to 3D, well lots of what I said and what you said is very true, but the problems aren't different from any other new technology. Some things work, some don't. Even some that are on 'the list', or at least according to some of the posters in the thread on 3D in the D* forums.

    At this point in time, 3D is for the techies to play with until they get it better and consistent, which isn't the case today at all.

    Note that I'm not slamming D*. I was happy with them when I had them, with the big exception being the #1 problem reported on their HR series prior to the HR24 - pig slow!

    Now they wouldn't be the right choice for me because of lack of national HD that I watch, the inability to record more than 2 events per receiver regardless of which one you get or even adding the AM21 to it. MRV is neat and from what I read, seems like a very good option to get for those that would benefit from it, which wouldn't be my situation. I liked the slightly better HD from D* that I got and I liked some of the features of the HRs that I had.

    At the moment, I just like Dish better. Better HD channel selection for my viewing preferences, PIP, Auto-Tune and the fact that my EHD can be swapped around the house or even onto a replacement HDDVR. I would say I like the backup of the timers to the remote on the 722k, but I haven't ever seen that work yet... :(

    From a money standpoint, neither service would be significantly cheaper for my programming level.
     

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