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Could the BETA and VHS war be happening again?

Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Chris Blount, Feb 2, 2011.

  1. Feb 2, 2011 #1 of 58
    Chris Blount

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    When I look at the wars going on between tablets and cells phones, I am suddenly reminded of the BETA vs VHS war. Sony released the first BETA machine in 1975 with only a handful of companies manufacturing them. Sony kept tight control over the technology with most users saying it was technically superior. In 1977, JVC intruduced the VHS format. JVC licensed the technology to over 40 companies and sold the decks for cheap.

    Now, here we are in 2011. See any similiarities?

    BETA = APPLE
    VHS = ANDROID

    If Apple doesn't do something soon, they will be left in the dust especially in the tablet market. Sure, there will always be loyal Apple followers but I wonder even how long that will last.

    Interesting to say the least.
     
  2. Feb 2, 2011 #2 of 58
    spartanstew

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    It's a reach, especially the part about Apple being technically superior.
     
  3. Feb 2, 2011 #3 of 58
    fluffybear

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    Apple always seems to find a way to come out of it. Android may take over the lion share of the market but I think there is far to many loyal customers that they will need to worry.
     
  4. Feb 2, 2011 #4 of 58
    Laxguy

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    Ooooow, man, you put a hurt in my day! Very interesting comparison, and I hope to heavens it doesn't pan out that way.

    One major difference I see is that the same or similar content is/will be widely available for both platforms, and you don't have to commit to a change in hardware to get content.

    Hope there are other distinguishing differences, but my brain is on vacation now.
     
  5. Feb 2, 2011 #5 of 58
    bobukcat

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    Right, the biggest difference is that there won't be a ton of content that is exclusive to either "format". Android has Flash, Google Talk and a few other platform specific biggies and Apple has Facetime, and some applications unique to it.

    Most of the web (flash excluded) is viewable on either one, you can get a Kindle or Nook application to get your e-books on either or both, etc. It could be argued that Apple has iTunes as an advantage right now but there are options for Android and when (if) GoogleMusic is released that should nullify any advantage there. I think the big challenge for developers is going to be making games and other applications (like a Facetime / GoogleTalk or Words With Friends for example) that will work on both platforms so it won't matter what device your friends have, you'll still be able to play games with them, video chat, etc.

    I won't get into the argument on which one is "Technically Superior" because I think it's irrelevant to the discussion the OP brought up.
     
  6. Feb 2, 2011 #6 of 58
    Stuart Sweet

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    It's an interesting concept but the world today is quite different. In the end there's an argument that it wasn't the multitude of manufacturers but the software that made VHS the market leader. You see... you couldn't get porn on Beta.
     
  7. Feb 2, 2011 #7 of 58
    bobukcat

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    That reminds me of this "The Android Phone is for Porn" parody! :lol:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IraQfhlMwi4
     
  8. Feb 2, 2011 #8 of 58
    phrelin

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    The problem with the Betamax format was in the content available, not the hardware. Apps are the content equivalent of the VCR era and Apple has them. I don't see the iPad as the Sony Betamax of this decade.

    I do think there is going to be limit to the "personal" tablet market and Apple dominates that already. Then there is the apps tie-in between the iPhone and the iPad to help retain a customer base.

    Android tablets will do ok in the personal tablet market because of the OS openness and many PC owners wouldn't touch anything Apple. Android tablets also will have a place in the business market that the iPad will never have (particularly because of it's dependency on iTunes for synching).

    But if Microsoft creates a usable OS for a tablet that interfaces well with Win PC's, the business market may be dominated by those tablets.
     
  9. Feb 2, 2011 #9 of 58
    LameLefty

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    Tell that to all the Fortune 500 business switching over to iPads, along with the many small business doctors, lawyers, etc. already using and loving the iPad.

    Also, iTunes isn't required in a corporate/enterprise environment. Specialty enterprise apps can be installed via the iPhone Configuration Utility, or on a corporate web server accessed wirelessly and installed automatically for authorized UDIDs.
     
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    I remember when alot of companies brought in Apples before the PC really made any headway, and then those companies switched due to the ease in integrating systems in a PC environment and cheaper, easier and more accessible support. Companies currently going ipad might switch for the same reason once Android establishes itself and has wide support of suppliers and programmers. Apple's arrogance may just hurt them if they are not careful here.
     
  11. Chris Blount

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    That's what I was thinking. Sort of the same thing Sony did with Beta.
     
  12. LameLefty

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    Well, hope springs eternal (at least for everyone looking to knock Apple :p), but in only one year of availability, iPad revenues alone, if a separate entity, would place it in the top 1/3 of the Fortune 500. A LOT of people are buying them, across a huge spectrum of businesses and types of individuals. Android tablets have a long way to go and high bar to reach to even consider the platform a real contender in the sense of there being a "war" at all.
     
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    I suspect that it's also a bit too early for any kind of "war"....but no doubt the competitors are sizing each other up pretty closely. ;):D

    Most times than not when this happens...in the end...the consumer wins. :)
     
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    It may take some time, but I'd be surprised if, in 12-18 months, the Android Honeycomb tablets don't outsell the iPads by at least the same 2-1 margin Android phones outsold iPhones in Q4 2010 (see here). Unlike Beta vs. VHS, tho, Apple still shipped a very healthy 16 million iPhones in Q4/10, so they have very little to worry about, IMHO. And it wouldn't surprise me if they blow through that number in Q1/11, with Verizon now in the mix and offering unlimited data plans to new iPhone purchasers.

    In case you missed, Motorola's leaked Xoom Superbowl 2011 ad pokes some fun at Apple's now legendary Macintosh 1984 Superbowl ad.
     
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    If you've ever struggled with a corporate IT environment on a notebook away from home using a "foreign" wireless connection as I've watched my 50-something offspring do, I really don't see widespread use of the corporate iPad over the long haul.

    One of my sons uses his to watch movies while flying from meeting to meeting. That wasn't allowed on the corporate notebook. I'm pretty sure the corporate IT folks won't be allowing that for the corporate iPad.

    To me the iPad is a personal device that can do some business stuff. But I've been wrong before. I have a notebook with an HD disk drive (not BD).;)
     
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    There is absolutely no disputing that it's a runaway smash hit, which is why everyone else is scrambling to make a competing product (BB, Android, MS, etc). Both platforms actually have some considerable issues to overcome before they can really be called "Enterprise Ready" IMO. That doesn't mean that companies aren't integrating them anyway, but things like revision control (look how much Android has changed in two years!), security and data encryption, remote management, etc. are important considerations if you are thinking about rolling out 10K + of these things with them running mission-critical applications.

    Give Android's meteoric rise in the smartphone market and the fact that Honeycomb (the first version really intended for a tablet) isn't yet released I do think that they will be outselling iPads by at least a 2-1 margin by this time next year. iPads will still be doing very well though and by no means am I predicting their imminent demise.
     
  17. Stuart Sweet

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    I just think in the end this isn't 1977 and there's room in the market for both, especially since the development kits do allow for simultaneous multiplatform development.
     
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    We need to mark this thread to check back in 12 - 18 months to see if the prediction is true :). I'm hoping it is because that will mean competition which means price wars & features wars :).
     
  19. SayWhat?

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    Apples are for pies and iPad sounds like a feminine hygiene product.



    Didn't the same thing happen with DVDs and Blu-Ray?
     
  20. Laxguy

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    So WHERE are you located?

    And what do you mean by "the same thing"?
     

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