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D10 Satellite - HD Anticipation and other posts

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  1. Sep 2, 2007 #241 of 8833
    Jeremy W

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    I just talked to the Advanced Products Group, and they said that some difficulties were encountered with the new batch of encoders DirecTV set up for the new channels, and they won't be coming online until October.

    This is completely made up, but it may as well be true. CSRs, no matter what group they're with, are not an accurate source of information.
     
  2. Sep 2, 2007 #242 of 8833
    M3 Pete

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    I go away for a full week of no-television vacation, and you guys have not gotten the new channels on line yet? :nono2:

    How disappointing! And now rumors of October? Oh noes!
     
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    Lame and no reason to keep the type small so the readers here won't see it. It will only help to get them upset.
     
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    My dogs had a conference this morning and they unamously tell me it will be tomorrow.
     
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    lwilli201

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    It really isn't a fake screen as I understand it, just one that has not been activated yet to actually read the transponders and the 0s are not real readings. This issue did not appear on my HR20-700 until several days after I got the 0x-18a software update on Aug 22, but only noticed the faster 0s on 103(b) when troubleshooting the "signal testing" issue yesterday.

    Since this appears to be a software issue, I noticed on the software issues thread that 0x-18a updates of HR20-100 began on Aug 29. Do you have 0x-18a? In any case different models may behave differently due to their internal processor speed, or as they say "your mileage may differ". :)
     
  7. Sep 2, 2007 #247 of 8833
    Jeremy W

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    It's no different than any of the other speculation that gets posted. At least I put a disclaimer on it.
     
  8. Sep 2, 2007 #248 of 8833
    noneroy

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    Actually, my tea leaves *AND* pig entrails both tell me it'll be next weekend. This was confirmed by 2 CSRs, a post on Satelliteguys, The Bible Code and Jimmy Hoffa's nephew. Hold your breath folks, I've got a good feeling about this. :sure:

    But back to topic, have we speculated that the existing channels will be moved over to MPEG4 and mirrored there? I'd prefer to get away from all of these mpeg2 crap, if possible.

    Also, has D* said anything about more HD-PPV? That'd kinda rock too.
     
  9. Sep 2, 2007 #249 of 8833
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    Interesting idea that the '0's on 103(b) are simulated. I had wondered how the channels could show up in the test channel range (talked about in other threads), without some signal energy showing up at everyone else's dishes.

    Is the difference between 102.6 and 102.775 enough to show significant dB drop at the 103 LNA in a properly aligned dish? I would think the signal strength might be down, but not to the point of reading zero.

    So, they could be testing on the transponders that are listed as n/a in the normal software, or they could be hiding the incoming signals until, as others have pointed out, then send out an enable signal to allow the regular receivers to display them.

    Sorry for straying away from pure HD anticipation and back into tech. :sure:

    On-topic: Are we there yet!!! :D :D :D

    Ken
     
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    Sirshagg

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    It's not really IF, but WHEN. Keep in mind all the folks who have not upgraded receivers/Dishes will loose channels when this is done.
     
  11. Sep 2, 2007 #251 of 8833
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    He said mirrored there... in other words, have MPEG4 versions on the new sat, and still have the MPEG2 version where they are now...

    ~Alan
     
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    Jeremy W

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    For right now, the channels that are showing up in engineering mode are nothing more than guide data. No actual signal is being received.
     
  13. Sep 2, 2007 #253 of 8833
    Terry K

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    This begs a VERY Interesting question, what about the current MPEG2 HDs like HDNet, HDN Movies, UHD, and Discovery HD Theatre? Those don't have a SD counterpart, so where do they go as to channel mappings for the MPEG4 versions?
     
  14. Sep 2, 2007 #254 of 8833
    Jeremy W

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    Wherever they can fit. It's not that big of a deal. MHD is going on 332. There are a bunch of open channels for DHDT: 275, 281, 283, 288. The others can find places elsewhere, too.
     
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    Yeah, where people with poor vision won't notice it.
     
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    DirecTV has ~500MHz usable CONUS spectrum on D10 and another 500MHz usable on D11. D10 will use 14 CONUS transponders @ 36MHz each. Each transponder would provide ~61Mbps with DVB-S2 using 8PSK @ 3/4 FEC.

    Ten channels per transponder would work out to ~6Mbps each. Current MPEG-4 feeds of CBS and NBC -- downconverted from 1920x1080 to 1440x1080, but which most agree look quite good -- are >10Mbps. The ABC and FOX 720p feeds run less.

    If DirecTV actually uplinks all 85 channels posted by Bschneider to D10, that would translate to six channels per transponder @ ~10Mbps each, which is probably close to the maximum they can uplink while maintaining quality comparable to the MPEG-4 locals. They might be able to add another 15, depending on the mix of 720p and 1080i channels and whether they stick to 1440x1080 or drop resolution down to to 1280x1080.

    Of course, these are all guesstimates until we confirm the actual modulation type and and FEC rate used by D10.
     
  17. Sep 2, 2007 #257 of 8833
    donshan

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    This is "HD anticipation" and like everyone else I am trying to connect the dots to guess when we will see something on our receivers that D10 is sending signals and especially when will we get our HD channels!

    I think the answer is that our dishes are getting signals right now from D10 since the position angle is not an issue. However it apparently takes an "engineering" activation card to bypass the software blocks in regular customers' receivers. Just as they sent a signal to turn on the 103(b) page, I expect an unannounced signal to be sent to make that 103(b) page "active" and actually read the transponders on our receivers, but that is software blocked now. So all we get are zeros while those with engineering cards get real readings and those HD channels being tested. That is just my guess and anticipation.

    The date is we get HD is clear to me! It is when D10 is in position at 102.775 W and stopped and stable, and then everything from the on ground uplinks and all the D10 configurations are certified as "Go". I think even the D10 technical manager does not yet have an exact date and time for that final "Go", but does has a printed planned schedule of all the required items that need to be finished . That final "Go" will come when it is 100 % ready and that could be early or could be late vs. the planned schedule . So how could any CSR or others have a clue as to any date other than rumors and guesses?

    Our receivers won't work until D* sends the required software signal(s) to switch things on, and those switch signals won't come until the D10 technical crew issues that final "Go"! The best we can hope for is they issue a series of software switch-ons over several days before HD channels appear, or it could all come as one big surprise.

    Patience!:D
     
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    Jeremy W

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    Not my problem.
     
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    Tom Robertson

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    Ken_F, one other word: polarity. :) 500MHz left and 500MHz right.

    Since you know the modulation numbers far better than I, are these based on the earlier Ku transponder modulation or the new Ka band modulations with reduced FEC? (And didn't they change modulation as well?)

    Thanks,
    Tom
     
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