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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by smiddy, Oct 28, 2010.
I don't care what these damn whippersnappers do just as long as they stay the hell off my lawn!
:lol: This thread has turned in to this:
Give yourself a few years, you will.
The President appeared on a non-news show, an entertainment show, a comedy show, in a very informal setting. I expect that off-camera and back-stage the President was treated with the utmost respect... but on camera, for the entertainment program... the President was looser than he normally would be, and no doubt the host of such a show is allowed to be loose in that scenario as well.
I'm sure Jon Stewart didn't address the President as "dude" backstage... but in the moment, on camera, when both are behaving like PEOPLE... they related to each other as people.
I actually kind of find it refreshing to see someone not being stuffy all the time...and I do have respect for the office.
Do the rules of addressing the President as "Mr President" extend to his immediate family too? How about his extended family? And how about old friends? I'm sure there are people in his family and circle of friends that would call him "dude" if they felt like it... and I wouldn't see that as disrespectful either.
I think it is actually healthy to be relaxed in some environments while being respectful in others. There is a time and a place for everything.
I have to disagree. Whenever a President appears in public proper protocol is in order. What he does in private with family and friends is another matter. I read once Elenor Roosevelt payed President Kennedy a private visit at the White House. As he was escorting her to a room and being a gentlemen he jestered she enter first. Her reply was "Oh no. You must never forget that you are the president"!
Yes ... back in the good old days when a certain Mr President would whip out his genitalia to the press and others when he wanted to emphasize a point. Interestingly enough, the organ had already received the nickname "Johnson" long before that. A good example of president's showing respect for the office?
If you disagree with how Mr Stewart addressed President Obama on the show stop watching. If you didn't watch before then it shouldn't be hard to stop watching. If you're watching the show just to find things to find fault with seek therapy. There are more important issues in the world. Stop frying ants.
Speaking for myself when I want your opinion I'll give it to you!
Well... since you are reading an Internet forum, of your own free will, I'm guessing you actually want others' opinions.
At least that is my opinion of why someone would read the Best Internet forum there is...
Anyone wanting to watch the rally: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/rally_to_restore_sanity_and_or_fear/index.jhtml
I don't think I have witnessed a decline in anything. I've witnessed change. I've seen the end of segregation and terrible societal restrictions against women. I've seen, albeit via TV, man reach the moon. In fact, I lived through the advent of a TV in every home. The list of changes could go on forever.
Do I agree with all the changes in mores, a term that according to Dictionary.com means "folkways of central importance accepted without question and embodying the fundamental moral views of a group"? No. Some things just seem better the way they were.
The change President Reagan made in saluting was one of those changes that symbolically alters Presidency in a way I don't like. You don't like "dude" being used in a chat with the current President.
But, I don't think the country or the world is "going-to-hell-in-a-hand-basket", to use an old saying. We have to keep this quote in mind:
It was attributed by Plato to Socrates (469–399 B.C.). Of course, I have trouble remembering that, just like I have considerable trouble following the Serenity Prayer:
So I do yell at the clouds of change when I think they will make American life less rewarding for my grandkids.
From a 5000 year old clay tablet found in Sumer. Fathers and sons haven't changed much.
The father begins by asking his son:
"Where did you go?"
"I did not go anywhere."
"If you did not go anywhere, why do you idle about? Go to school, stand before your 'school-father,' recite your assignment, open your schoolbag, write your tablet, let your 'big brother' write your new tablet for you. After you have finished your assignment and reported to your moni*tor, come to me, and do not wander about in the street. Come now, do you know what I said?"
"Come now, be a man. Don't stand about in the public square, or wander about the boulevard. When walking in the street, don't look all around. Be humble and show fear before your monitor.
"I, night and day am I tortured because of you. Night and day you waste in pleasures. You have accumulated much wealth, have expanded far and wide, have become fat, big, broad, powerful, and puffed.
I didn't know Kool Aid was sold by the 55 gallon drum.
It's not, but like many things--you can make it up...
Phrelin is talking from a perspective of history. Some he's lived, some he's learned. (I don't think he's [quite] old enough to have lived with Plato...)
There are always signs of the Apocalypse. Sometimes people dig hard to see them, yet they are always there.
Thank you, Phrelin, for the reminders of desegregation, man on the moon, and balanced treatment of women. Those really are signs of change. And good change.
There are also signs that some things almost never change--greed and power hungry people. Thankfully there are also always people who are not controlled by those desires.
Somebody know a good translator...
Change is change and deterioration is deterioration. Some of us can recognize the difference.
My point was you can always find "signs of deterioration" if you look hard enough--and then amplify it enough.
Yet by amplifying the small stuff to the level of "It's the Apocalypse", one can easily miss the truly big stuff that Phrelin has lived thru. The great stuff that clearly indicate things really are getting better overall.
So is Jon Stewart and his show a sign of the apocalypse now or has the topic of this TV Show Talk thread been forgotten?
Of course yours is a fully true statement. Then again...these days, some of those signs pop up in front of faces, not requiring telescopes or microscopes to view them.
Not concerned about the 2012 predictions...and Jon is a funny guy as I've said before. My whole point is that in this case, and in the intent to likely try to be a 'cool guy interviewing the President of the United States"...he stepped over the line with non-professionalism and without common courtesy with his choice of words. He may not have had any bad intentions, but his execution was outside the box of how Presidents have been addressed forever...so questioning the wisdom of it is also in play.
I wouldn't be surprised if a quiet 'apology of sorts" was exchanged off camera, and everyone moved on. That said, perhaps we should follow in path and move on. I know of plenty of folks who lost alot of respect for Mr. Stewart, not as a comedian, and entertainer, etc....rather, as a person.
Thanks for supporting the optimistic view, Tom. Obviously, I think it's justified.
There have always been "bad" people or "good" people doing bad things just as there are now. But good things are happening.
When I take the time to look, I see a positive change from the internet, despite all the garbage that people being people generate on the web or tweet or whatever.
IMHO more people under 30 are accepting of "the others." Tribalism (and its big brother nationalism) seems to be having less effect at the beginning of this millennium than the last. It's not that more young people are rejecting racial, ethnic, and other meaningless differences. They seem to be ignoring them.
It feels like in a hundred years there will be a noticeably smaller percentage of people in the world systematically killing other people.
Yes, there is decline in a very narrow sense. Folks suffered the decline of the buggy whip industry. That is because people lost the advantages of having a good horse. That harmed the hay growers. And, despite everyone's best intentions, apparently it seems that choosing the internal combustion engine to power vehicles was a poor choice which has led to global environmental effects (wring your hands here).
Folks will correct that choice over the next couple of decades. But people will have to live with the relatively short-term (compared to a millennium) consequences.
But optimism aside, in these forums I will continue to complain and bemoan trends like paying for OTA TV stations that will cause irreparable harm to the very fabric of the multiverse.
Gentlemen we've gone far enough with the politics. Let's stay focused on Jon Stewart and his show and stay away from comparing, contrasting and perhaps even insulting presidents.
Back to Jon Stewart, I think he's built an amazing resume of world leaders he's interviewed on what is ostensibly a comedy show. Even before President Obama. He's doing something right.