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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 22, 2009.
There has to be some limit, as ratings are used to set commercial prices on a quarterly basis.
This drop is pretty significant. And "House" drew a huge 18-to-49 rating. While all the ratings comments on line compare to last fall, I took a look at last spring's season premier of DWTS (my chart below shows % of viewer total):
Last March which wasn't a season premier for anyone other than DWTS, "House" was an hour followed by "24", the CBS comedy lineup was a bit different, and The CW had different shows. Compared to last March, last night ABC took a hit (as did NBC in the second hour which was "Heroes"), Fox and The CW gained particularly in the demo, while CBS seemed to be about the same. Next Monday is going to be interesting.
ABC may lose the "water cooler" effect tonight. Fox's "Hells Kitchen" and NBC "The Biggest Loser" may peel off some of the more avid reality show folks while "NCIS" and "NCIS: Los Angeles" will attract away some of the older curious but now bored, in addition to the loyal NCIS viewers.
Maybe it's Tuesday morning quarterbacking, but I agree with you Stuart that ABC should have tightened up the show not expanded it.
As I mentioned on an earlier thread, my wife wanted to give the show another try this year after dumping last Spring's season in anger over the judges. We recorded 45 minutes then watched through everyone's first dance, by which time boredom set in and so I just let it finish recording. Then we switched to the two hour "House" premier which was a great episode IMHO. But that isn't the subject here....
Thanks for the numbers. If anything, I feel confident that the "watercooler effect" will work against ABC, not for them. We've seen the contestants now, so what's to draw people in tonight?
We've seen the MALE contestants now, tonight is Ladies Night my good man.
We've seen the ladies, we just haven't seen them dance. I have traditionally low hopes for the former and current models. As for the actresses, I don't know how much experience they have in dancing. Perhaps Mya (why do they always have a contestant with only one name?) could do well.
Macy Gray who is also an entertainer should do well given her background.
We're pretty democratic in that regard, Stuart ... reality or scripted can linger in the can till we get to it. Just because there's the immediacy of voting going on doesn't mean anything's going to change the outcome if we watch it later.
I chuckled at phrelin's post because House is an example of one of our favorites, but we just don't watch it real time. It's in the can, and it can wait for us to clear the time. I do likewise with Warehouse 13 (wife doesn't watch it) as I did with Defying Gravity (ditto on the wife thing).
We'll do the same with DWTS and SYTYCD and Survivor, BB-11 and especially BBAD (although we usually watched it the very next day - like a bad soap opera ). Amazing Race is starting up on Sunday, but we won't watch it until next Friday or Saturday night when there's nothing on. And so it goes ...
I agree that Nielsen needs to come up with a more realistic method of capturing viewing habits. I'm surprised that the likes of Dish with it's wired (phone) boxes isn't somehow cashing in with the Nielsen crowd and sharing my DVR data with them - maybe they already are.
I strongly recommend the "House" episode as it has an incredible cast. Just don't expect the normal episode.
I'm trying to figure out how the advertisers would deal with us if (1) our viewing habits were tracked and (2) we were in a demographic they cared about.
Last night we watched our recording of "DWTS" beginning about 40 minutes after it started and stuck through about two thirds, then switched to "House" which was nearly done recording, all the while recording the CBS comedy lineup.
Tonight before prime time we'll watch from last night some of the CBS comedy lineup, "Castle", "The Daily Show" plus anything we want to see from Leno, Letterman, and Conan. With whatever prime time is left after that we'll likely watch tonight's "Warehouse 13" season finale, and maybe the [strike]rest of last night's[/strike] the first part of tonights "DWTS" or tonights "NCIS." (Last night's "CSI:Miami" will be stored with other comedies on an external hard drive for season shifting.)
We did watch a couple of commercials with animals in them and one other really clever one, all of which were so memorable I can't remember what any of them advertised. I guess this is why advertisers want to know what people age 14 to 29 are watching while they are surfing the net and texting at the same time - they might remember what was advertised.:sure:
Same thought crossed my mind, but you never know. Just because she's in show business doesn't mean she can walk and chew gum at the same time.
Well, Johanna (SP?) seemed decently athletic on The Superstars so maybe she will be a change from the "deceptively unfit" models in the past.
My choice for dark-horse: Kelly Osborne
Tonight, Dancing was up against the season premiere of NCIS and the series premiere NCIS LA.
Oh, Macy ... ouch!!! It hurt just watching you. Oh well.
Machavez is right about Kelly, but right now I think Lee is onto something with Joanne. Boy, does that girl have some rhythm or what?
Looks like the boys have their work cut out for them on season 9.
Macy is the new Cloris Leachman! I finally figured out what she said... mild language some may find offensive, but really it's nothing that hasn't been said on TV in other programs:
Asked by Samantha Harris how she felt, Macy responded...
... that she was happy to get it over with, because "I busted my cherry" and got the first dance out of the way.
On to some of the other ladies... I was very surprised at how good Kelly Osborne was. I expected a bit more of a klutz, like we saw in the taped practice segments, but instead she was quite elegant and graceful ... and good ... in her waltz! (Also did very well in her "sprint".)
Mya was also very good, as was the model who is dancing with Derek Hough - the name escapes me though. I was amused at Mya's comment in a practice session that she was caught on Dmitri's body ... there was only one part of his connecting to one part of hers, and I imagine that when a celebrity starts dancing they have to get over being shy very quickly, as they will be very intimate with their pro in no time!
Last night the women danced, and I must say of course that it takes a huge amount of courage to stand there in an outfit like that, so far out of one's comfort zone, work so hard and expose your flaws to all of America. I applaud every contestant for that.
I'm pleased to say that there were two genuine contenders last night. We saw the first genuinely strong start of the season from Mýa and Dmitry Chaplin who delivered a very solid Viennese Waltz. I saw a lift in there but the judges did not, so there was no penalty. If Mýa doesn't peak too early she may go all the way.
Of course, the heart of the season belongs to Kelly Osbourne and her partner Louis van Amstel. The technique was certainly lacking but it's such a pleasure to see this young person emerge from her rock-and-roll persona and take steps toward becoming a lady. Well done, and I'm willing to forgive a lot if she keeps working at it.
I also saw glimmers of potential last night from Natalie Coughlin and Joanna Krupa. While athletes to tend to do well, models often don't, and Ms. Krupa certainly showed that she can perform. Both dances were slow and wooden, but this is week one. I'll forgive that.
Again, I congratulate Ms. Mazar. Ms. Hart, Ms. Ireland and Ms. Gray for coming on the show and working hard.
I don't know whom America will send home tonight, but the Shadow's pick goes to the most distracting (and distracted) of the season nine dancers: Mr. Vito and Ms. Gray.
All I can do this morning is sit here and just agree with the assessment of last night with you yet again Mr Sweet. I really thought Ms Gray was going to do better than she did given her performing background; but I guess just like the old sports saying goes, that's why you play the games.
At this point, the popular vote is going to weigh more heavily than later in the season, not that it won't have any weight later on, so I really think even the strongest of the dancers could go home this week.
Haven't watched it yet, but the show was down 3+ million viewers compared to the show a year ago which was at 9-11 pm. (CBS was a huge winner last night.)
No real surprise:
Ashley and Macy were eliminated.